• Trayvon Martin's mother speaks out against stop-frisk
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[quote]NEW YORK — The mother of Trayvon Martin spoke out Sunday against the stop-and-frisk police practice in New York City, saying neither police nor civilians have the right to stop someone because of their race. Critics say the stops target blacks and Hispanics who aren't doing anything wrong. Earlier this week, a judge told New York City that its policy was racial discrimination. The city plans to appeal. Over the past decade, New York police have stopped, questioned and sometimes patted down about 5 million people; 87 percent were black or Hispanic. About 10 percent of the stops spur an arrest or summons. Police find weapons a fraction of the time. New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly defended the use of stop and frisk Sunday and said violent crimes would increase if the practice were abandoned. [I]"It actually takes us away from his poignant words of, `I dreamed my children would be judged by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin,'" Crump said. Fulton has said neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman "got away with murder" in the 2012 killing of her son, largely because of Florida's self-defense law.[/I][/quote] [url]http://www.policeone.com/media-relations/articles/6393943-Trayvon-Martins-mother-speaks-out-against-stop-frisk/[/url]
awful title tbh
Stop and frisk is completely shit and more people need to speak out against it if they favour civil liberties, [del]almost as shit as the title of this thread in fact[/del]
Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.
She's riding her fame from the whole trial, obviously, but at least she's making smart statements, so far
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] If it was indeed random then not that much. [Quote]87 percent were black or Hispanic[/quote] is pretty terrible, tho.
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] It's pretty demeaning to be randomly searched, even if police weren't using it on mostly non-white people fuck that. That's just treating every citizen like a criminal, I'm not comfortable with that. [QUOTE=Zeke129;41900817]There's also the whole legal protection against unreasonable searches thing[/QUOTE] ye
There's also the whole legal protection against unreasonable searches thing
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't surrender your right to privacy and your right to not be subject to unreasonable search and siezure because you have nothing to hide. You may not have anything to hide but you have the right to hide it anyway.
[QUOTE=TestECull;41900862]You shouldn't surrender your right to privacy and your right to not be subject to unreasonable search and siezure because you have nothing to hide. You may not have anything to hide but you have the right to hide it anyway.[/QUOTE] Precisely, do you really want the police or anyone else to know that you carry around a dildo in your backpack/purse/whatever?
sweet title arelop i too believe that a woman who lost her son in a highly publicized case should only be allowed to talk about her son and no other issues that could affect her community what a dumb bitch ! [QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] please be joking please be joking please be joking please be
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] And what was your reaction when the TSA body scanner drama just started?
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] By that logic the government should be able to monitor everybody's internet searches and phone calls at all times since only criminals have anything to fear. Its not like entering a building to be searched.
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] The mantra of every police state ever.
This woman is a racist because she thinks because she's black that she will get checked because of her race.
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] Well, apart from the privacy and race issues, it's just fucking annoying and uncomfortable and a waste of everyone's time.
Good. More people should speak out against this unconstitutional bullshit.
lol "areolop" i know you're a self-proclaimed cop but that doesnt mean you have to defend stuff that cops do, especially when they're disgusting things cops work for civilians. civilians happen to be black. if black civilians have a problem with cops, then its their duty to make those problems clear. that distrust of authority is a pretty important part of the ideology the united states was founded upon, huh [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] i dont know imagine how youd feel if the institution responsible for protecting you acted in a way that made you feel like you were more of a criminal than other people based on your skin tone dunno about you but id really fucking hate that, people tend to not like being treated negatively based on something they cant control
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] Minority communities complain because they are unfairly targeted by these checks. And the last time I checked, we all have the right to privacy.
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] Do you care if the government listens to your phone calls and watches everything you do on your PC? As long as you're not cooking meth and making bombs, you have nothing to hide, right?
10% is pretty good guys, sure makes me feel a little safer, I wonder the percentage of black or Hispanics of that 10% (I don't live in new york so I don't actually feel safer" [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41901958]Do you care if the government listens to your phone calls and watches everything you do on your PC? As long as you're not cooking meth and making bombs, you have nothing to hide, right?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't mind if they did to be completely honest, why would I care?
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] That argument works in a few situations, believe me, but stopping someone and frisking them for NO REASON besides some arbitrary suspicion, and apparently racially biased suspicions at that is bad. There are cases where having nothing to hide is a relevant argument, but only when the inconvenience is mostly conceptual or imagined does it have any chance of holding up. Not real world actions like this. [editline]20th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41901958]Do you care if the government listens to your phone calls and watches everything you do on your PC? As long as you're not cooking meth and making bombs, you have nothing to hide, right?[/QUOTE] To that extent? That is bad, I agree, but to the lengths that the NSA is doing, for example, I think we're fine. Only focusing on people who they have real suspicions on? Fine by me. This is required for social order, get over it, really. The issues you have with it are imagined and based on presumptions, typically, anyway.
I hope everyone knows there's a complete difference between searching and frisking. Frisking is not a search and requires no warrant what so ever if you are even acting a little out of the ordinary. Once they reach into your pockets it's a search, but if they don't it's legal.
[QUOTE=meatwad253;41900723]Kinda off topic but why would anyone complain about police frisking randomly? Obviously there wouldn't be a problem unless you actually have something to hide.[/QUOTE] because its illegal
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41901562]This woman is a racist because she thinks because she's black that she will get checked because of her race.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's a logical statement apart from the fact you're wrong and didn't read the article at all. [quote]Over the past decade, New York police have stopped, questioned and sometimes patted down about 5 million people; 87 percent were black or Hispanic.[/quote] Statistically validated statements? What's that, a new flavour of gum?
Have you considered that the ratio is strikingly similar in the demographics of who is committing crimes in those areas? In fact it's even higher ratios of Black and Hispanics to whites who are committing crimes. This is due to the fact that they make a lot less money on average, but it is still a fact. Ignoring this fact to be "fair" is bullshit IMO. I don't even agree with stop-and-frisk but if it is to be done, why not do it in a way that supports the statistics of who is committing crimes? if 93% of all crimes in a certain area are committed by one racial group then it's not really profiling to stop them more often, it's just smart. I bet white people with a skinhead appearance get stopped a hell of a lot more than average looking white people, but no one calls that profiling do they? I am fully expecting all of your dumbs, but they are just PC dumbs you know it is actually a fact. The ratio of crimes committed is incredibly shifted towards these two groups, but you think that the police force should stop an equal number of people of every race just to be fair, and that is stupid. I know that our socio-economic situation is fundamentally broken and that Blacks and Hispanics in inner cities don't have access to the same opportunities as whites, and that leads to lives of crime. The fact remains that they are committing crimes and int he time between now and fixing our racial problems, we can't allow criminals to be criminals just to be racially fair. It is stupid and overall counter-productive. Just to reiterate though, I think stop-and-frisk is total BS and needs to be recalled. I was just pointing out that so many people are actually willing to ignore facts and be counter-productive to society just to seem PC. BTW Being a white male raised in an all black family from age 2, I understand the targeting. We received tickets for parking violations that were blatantly harassment from the cops bigoted views on interracial marriage, and I still feel this way.
[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;41901562]This woman is a racist because she thinks because she's black that she will get checked because of her race.[/QUOTE] that's not racist it also actually happens
[QUOTE=areolop;41900557]Sticking her nose where it doesnt belong[/QUOTE] OK, whether or not you think she's a stupid bitch for the Zimmerman case is one thing But NYPD is getting worse and worse by the second, and stop-frisk really does need to be stopped.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;41900751] is pretty terrible, tho.[/QUOTE] To play devil's advocate, what are the population statistics of the areas where this 87 percent were stopped and frisked?
[QUOTE=frozensoda;41905583]Have you considered that the ratio is strikingly similar in the demographics of who is committing crimes in those areas?[/QUOTE] I think the point is if they have a specific crime they are investigating, and a specific description of a suspect which this person fits, then yes that's probable cause to stop them. You can't just just say "Mostly blacks are committing crimes in this area, so I'll stop and frisk black people", because the INDIVIDUAL is not suspected of anything. That person is innocent until proven guilty remember? So unless you have probable cause(the crime and he matches the description) leave him the fuck alone!
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