Muslim man's photo of prayer in LDS church goes viral - Polidicks

[b]Muslim man's photo of prayer in LDS church goes viral[/b] Via [url=http://kutv.com/news/local/muslim-mans-photo-of-prayer-in-lds-church-is-going-viral]KUTV[/url] _________________________ [quote][img]http://i.imgur.com/KFnuTFC.jpg[/img] BRISBANE, Australia (KUTV) - An Australian man's Facebook post about his experience in a Mormon church is going viral. A member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints invited a group of local Muslims to a Brisbane ward for their annual Christmas program and a tour of the church, said Ali Kadri, spokesperson for the Islamic Council of Queensland. "They displayed amazing manners in taking the multi-faith groups on a tour of the church," wrote Kadri in his Facebook post. He said his group attended the event representing Holland Park Mosque, which is 108 years old. According to Kadri, members from the LDS church gave the group a room to pray in when the time came for evening prayers. "Two faiths praying to the same God, in a different way, within [the] same building," wrote Kadri. Kadri told KUTV he believes after so much bad news, the world is hungry for love and respect. "Small gestures like these should be normal and nothing special," Kadri told KUTV. "The fact that this post has gone viral simply shows that we need to keep on doing this 'til it becomes the norm." Kadri says he hopes moments like these will overshadow the hate and negativity in the world.[/quote] Very noble of them, I approve of this.

It's almost as if they're courteous human beings.

pretty sad that its become news when people treat a normal muslim person with respect

Most people don't realize their God is the same God as the Jews worship and by extension Christians. Most Christians I know call me crazy when I say that or just stare at me. (I'm a Christian as well)

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317318]Most people don't realize their God is the same God as the Jews worship and by extension Christians. Most Christians I know call me crazy when I say that or just stare at me. (I'm a Christian as well)[/QUOTE] They stare at you because it's a non-sensical statement. The gods from those religions say different things, have different natures (especially in Christianity), do different things, teach different things, command different things, etc. If they aren't different gods, then I don't know what it means to be different.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49317339]They stare at you because it's a non-sensical statement. The gods from those religions say different things, have different natures (especially in Christianity), do different things, teach different things, command different things, etc. If they aren't different gods, then I don't know what it means to be different.[/QUOTE] The Gods themselves don't say different things. The people that wrote the books for those eras said those things. Most Christians don't even know that Jesus said to not follow the old testament. That's where all this judgmental horseshit comes from. That's why Jesus said to not follow it.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317318]Most people don't realize their God is the same God as the Jews worship and by extension Christians. Most Christians I know call me crazy when I say that or just stare at me. (I'm a Christian as well)[/QUOTE] Being abrahamic doesn't mean they're the same God.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49317339]They stare at you because it's a non-sensical statement. The gods from those religions say different things, have different natures (especially in Christianity), do different things, teach different things, command different things, etc. If they aren't different gods, then I don't know what it means to be different.[/QUOTE] They all trace their faiths back to Abraham and his god. The Jewish God and Christian God are p much the same, since the old testament, the only part of the bible to really "talk" about God, is the same as the jewish Torah. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317341]The Gods themselves don't say different things. The people that wrote the books for those eras said those things. Most Christians don't even know that Jesus said to not follow the old testament. That's where all this judgmental horseshit comes from. That's why Jesus said to not follow it.[/QUOTE] Also, that only depends on what gospel you read, since each one was written for a different audience

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317341]The Gods themselves don't say different things. The people that wrote the books for those eras said those things. Most Christians don't even know that Jesus said to not follow the old testament. That's where all this judgmental horseshit comes from. That's why Jesus said to not follow it.[/QUOTE] Depends on interpretation - while some people say Jesus said you no longer need the old law, that's pretty much demonstrably wrong according to most translations/scholars/anyone who knows shit about the Bible. He repeatedly says he's fulfilling the law and that it isn't a replacement - the idea that the law no longer applies is more applicable to Paul, who wrote letters at a later date and has some ideas that are significantly different than what was spoken by Jesus himself. Dismissing the OT is ignorance, not religious fact. Protestants put more focus on the NT, no question, but it's very [i]very[/i] difficult to say "Jesus said to ignore the OT" without being laughed at by most theologians. He didn't - at all.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317318]Most people don't realize their God is the same God as the Jews worship and by extension Christians. Most Christians I know call me crazy when I say that or just stare at me. (I'm a Christian as well)[/QUOTE] Christianity is considered polytheistic by Judaism and Islam bc of the holy trinity. Jews are allowed to pray with Muslims and vice versa according to both religions but neither Jews or Muslims are allowed to pray with Christians. To say that Allah/Hashem is identical to God is just ignorant

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317341]The Gods themselves don't say different things. The people that wrote the books for those eras said those things. Most Christians don't even know that Jesus said to not follow the old testament. That's where all this judgmental horseshit comes from. That's why Jesus said to not follow it.[/QUOTE] The same God can't say that Jesus is the almighty lord and savior yet at the same time say that the Messiah hasn't arrived and that Jesus is not said entity. Plus the Muslim faith treats Jesus as a prophet and not the Messiah. Christianity states that Jesus is the only way/Messiah. Believe in any of these religions or not, but they aren't the same and the God in question isn't, from what I've learned, the same. Regardless, it's really nice to see people treating other humans like people and not warmongering radicalists.

[QUOTE=Archonos 2;49317423]The same God can't say that Jesus is the almighty lord and savior yet at the same time say that the Messiah hasn't arrived and that Jesus is not said entity. Plus the Muslim faith treats Jesus as a prophet and not the Messiah. Christianity states that Jesus is the only way/Messiah. Believe in any of these religions or not, but they aren't the same and the God in question isn't, from what I've learned, the same. Regardless, it's really nice to see people treating other humans like people and not warmongering radicalists.[/QUOTE] Tl;dr: Jesus' dad is the same diety that Judiasm, Christianity and Islam worships, basically.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49317409]Depends on interpretation - while some people say Jesus said you no longer need the old law, that's pretty much demonstrably wrong according to most translations/scholars/anyone who knows shit about the Bible. He repeatedly says he's fulfilling the law and that it isn't a replacement - the idea that the law no longer applies is more applicable to Paul, who wrote letters at a later date and has some ideas that are significantly different than what was spoken by Jesus himself. Dismissing the OT is ignorance, not religious fact. Protestants put more focus on the NT, no question, but it's very [i]very[/i] difficult to say "Jesus said to ignore the OT" without being laughed at by most theologians. He didn't - at all.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Most of the writings about the OT was to allow gentiles to be Christians without having to cut their foreskins off. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317447]Tl;dr: Jesus' dad is the same diety that Judiasm, Christianity and Islam worships, basically.[/QUOTE] well..... TECHNICALY it isnt his dad. it's him. But noone understands that. Well for Roman Catholics that is

[QUOTE=abananapeel;49317452]Yeah. Most of the writings about the OT was to allow gentiles to be Christians without having to cut their foreskins off. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] well..... TECHNICALY it isnt his dad. it's him. But noone understands that. Well for Roman Catholics that is[/QUOTE] actually Jesus mentions he's doing his FATHER'S work so technically he is as he's described, the Son of God and also a God himself.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49317409]Depends on interpretation - while some people say Jesus said you no longer need the old law, that's pretty much demonstrably wrong according to most translations/scholars/anyone who knows shit about the Bible. He repeatedly says he's fulfilling the law and that it isn't a replacement - the idea that the law no longer applies is more applicable to Paul, who wrote letters at a later date and has some ideas that are significantly different than what was spoken by Jesus himself. Dismissing the OT is ignorance, not religious fact. Protestants put more focus on the NT, no question, but it's very [i]very[/i] difficult to say "Jesus said to ignore the OT" without being laughed at by most theologians. He didn't - at all.[/QUOTE] Could you care to elaborate? Because I've heard from a few people about the NT negating the OT, where does that come from?

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;49317501]Could you care to elaborate? Because I've heard from a few people about the NT negating the OT, where does that come from?[/QUOTE] The only thing that's really negated from the OT is the Law of Moses in regards to Sacrificing lambs and Circumcision. Meaning the practices were no longer seen as necessary or 'fufilled' as sacrificial lambs were used as a type and shadow to the Crucifixion of Christ. The sacrificial lambs were replaced with the Sacrament known as the bread and wine that Christ gave his disciples before being crucified. There were even set sacrament prayers for the bread and wine (Mormons use water in place of the wine and can actually replace the bread with another bread related product if the need arises)

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317341]The Gods themselves don't say different things. The people that wrote the books for those eras said those things. Most Christians don't even know that Jesus said to not follow the old testament. That's where all this judgmental horseshit comes from. That's why Jesus said to not follow it.[/QUOTE] Sure, if you think they're all false religions anyway, then it doesn't even matter. On the other hand, if you hold one of them to be true, then you can't also affirm that the god of one of the others is the same god since they are different in many ways. [QUOTE]They all trace their faiths back to Abraham and his god. The Jewish God and Christian God are p much the same, since the old testament, the only part of the bible to really "talk" about God, is the same as the jewish Torah.[/QUOTE] The whole trinity thing makes the gods of Judaism and Christianity fundamentally different. [QUOTE]Dismissing the OT is ignorance, not religious fact. Protestants put more focus on the NT, no question, but it's very very difficult to say "Jesus said to ignore the OT" without being laughed at by most theologians. He didn't - at all.[/QUOTE] This is absolutely true. There's a very big difference between, "Christians no longer live under the covenantal relationship of the Old Testament," and, "Jesus said to ignore the Old Testament." You can't even understand Christianity without also understanding at least part of the Old Testament.

Islam and Mormonism both claim to the the third book... kinda awkward.

[QUOTE=Itauske Roken;49317539]The only thing that's really negated from the OT is the Law of Moses in regards to Sacrificing lambs and Circumcision. Meaning the practices were no longer seen as necessary or 'fufilled' as sacrificial lambs were used as a type and shadow to the Crucifixion of Christ. The sacrificial lambs were replaced with the Sacrament known as the bread and wine that Christ gave his disciples before being crucified. There were even set sacrament prayers for the bread and wine (Mormons use water in place of the wine and can actually replace the bread with another bread related product if the need arises)[/QUOTE] No, Shabbat and Kashrut were also negated, as were a lot of other laws

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;49317501]Could you care to elaborate? Because I've heard from a few people about the NT negating the OT, where does that come from?[/QUOTE] I don't know all the details, but just the basic twist where in NT God is the God of all people, and not just Jewish people tells much. Also the second biggest difference IMO is that in OT God killed everyone that got in the Jewish way and punished many others (the great flood, killing off the first born children of Egypt, destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the tower of Babel incident). That is completely different from how Jesus acted and how forgiving he was.

[QUOTE=abananapeel;49317452]well..... TECHNICALY it isnt his dad. it's him. But noone understands that. Well for Roman Catholics that is[/QUOTE] That's why I said tl;dr. There is lots more to it.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49317562]Islam and Mormonism both claim to the the third book... kinda awkward.[/QUOTE] As far as I'm aware the Book of Mormon doesn't deny that Jesus is the Christ. Where as the Koran sorta just makes him off to be some sort of Prophet. [QUOTE=Svinnik;49317566]No, Shabbat and Kashrut were also negated, as were a lot of other laws[/QUOTE] While Shabbat was technically still regarded as the day of rest the day Christ rose from the grave is considered to be the more sacred day of the week which is ironically the beginning of the week. As for Kashrut it primarily dealt with how those foods were prepared and since that began to change at the time of the NT. It was also used as a metaphor for missionary work to the Gentiles since they were seen as 'unclean'.

[QUOTE=Itauske Roken;49317636] As for Kashrut it primarily dealt with how those foods were prepared and since that began to change at the time of the NT. It was also used as a metaphor for missionary work to the Gentiles since they were seen as 'unclean'.[/QUOTE] As someone who keeps kosher, it is not mostly about food preparation. We can only eat animals that are deemed as kosher and are slaughtered in a certain way by a shochet. There are parts that deal with preparation but they arent the main deal

[QUOTE=AntonioR;49317625]I don't know all the details, but just the basic twist where in NT God is the God of all people, and not just Jewish people tells much. Also the second biggest difference IMO is that in OT God killed everyone that got in the Jewish way and punished many others (the great flood, killing off the first born children of Egypt, destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the tower of Babel incident). That is completely different from how Jesus acted and how forgiving he was.[/QUOTE] Oh I meant as in how a lot of people say that in the New Testament jesus/god says that all that was written in the old testament is no longer valid

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317447]Tl;dr: Jesus' dad is the same diety that Judiasm, Christianity and Islam worships, basically.[/QUOTE] Did you just completely ignore everything I said? I assume it's based upon the fact that you know you're wrong. If they all worshiped the same diety they'd all be in the same religion. If Jews and Christians and Muslims all followed the same God they'd all be the same religion and they'd all follow the same beliefs and same texts and we wouldn't be talking right now.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49317341]The Gods themselves don't say different things. The people that wrote the books for those eras said those things. Most Christians don't even know that Jesus said to not follow the old testament. That's where all this judgmental horseshit comes from. That's why Jesus said to not follow it.[/QUOTE] they stare at you because you dont have a clue what you're talking about its almost as if the people who practice that faith and read its religious texts have a better idea what its about than the 20 something who thinks he has the whole world figured out because he regurgitated something someone else said on the internet

[QUOTE=Archonos 2;49318479]Did you just completely ignore everything I said? I assume it's based upon the fact that you know you're wrong. If they all worshiped the same diety they'd all be in the same religion. If Jews and Christians and Muslims all followed the same God they'd all be the same religion and they'd all follow the same beliefs and same texts and we wouldn't be talking right now.[/QUOTE] Its the same reason there are a bajillion different protestant churches, they teach a different way. IIRC, some Muslims see Jesus as a another prophet or something and they say that they worship the Abrahamic God. They can still follow the same God but have different beliefs. What you're saying is Mormons wouldn't be Christians because we have VERY different beliefs than all the other Christian sects

[QUOTE=mralexs;49319038]Its the same reason there are a bajillion different protestant churches, they teach a different way. IIRC, some Muslims see Jesus as a another prophet or something and they say that they worship the Abrahamic God. They can still follow the same God but have different beliefs. What you're saying is Mormons wouldn't be Christians because we have VERY different beliefs than all the other Christian sects[/QUOTE] All practicing Muslims see Jesus as a another prophet. Their entire eschatology revolves around it. Also, the vast majority of Christians don't consider Mormons as Christian. So I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make there.

[QUOTE=Archonos 2;49317423]The same God can't say that Jesus is the almighty lord and savior yet at the same time say that the Messiah hasn't arrived and that Jesus is not said entity. Plus the Muslim faith treats Jesus as a prophet and not the Messiah. Christianity states that Jesus is the only way/Messiah. [/QUOTE] Given all the contradictions and interpretations of God's actions and behaviour [I]within[/I] each religion, whether he had a son or not seems like a pretty silly way to distinguish which one is the [I]real [/I]"God". I mean, a God that created the world in 6 days 6000 years ago and likes smithing sinners, and a God that just set the Universe into motion and never really did that "allegorical" Old Testament stuff sound like pretty different gods to me.

Mormons may be crazy as far as what they do to their own believers, but they are strangely open about other faiths. Really contradictory, they treat gays like shit, and are one step above Scientology when it comes to how they treat their members