[quote]WASHINGTON, Nov 7 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama urged members of the U.S. House of Representatives on Saturday to "rise to this moment" and approve healthcare legislation.
After talks with House Democrats on Capitol Hill, Obama made remarks in the White House Rose Garden. He said the House legislation will bring the United States "one step closer" to quality healthcare for Americans.
"Now is the time to finish the job," he said.
"I urge members of Congress to rise to this moment, answer to the call of history and vote yes for health insurance reform for America," he said. (Reporting by Steve Holland; Editing by Doina Chiacu)[/quote]
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The Health Care bill currently being debated in the House of Reps requires all citizens to purchase health insurance or face upwards fines and up to 5 years in prison. Yes, it will be a felony to not have health insurance. No longer will you be able to vote, no longer will you be able to own a gun, no longer will you have your most fundamental rights. All because you did not purchase still broken health insurance.
What kind of freedom is that?
Our current health care system is obviously broken but requires real, honest reforms. The proposed legislation is nothing short of utter shit which ignores many of the actual problems and simply ratchets up our tyrannical government.
damn gubmint takin' mah rights i want no socialism in here nop
Spend money to keep yourself "healthy," something you don't need insurance to do. That, or you get imprisoned? Sounds pretty reasonable. /sarcasm
Yes, infact we should let poor people die because they cant pay expensive surgerys. Its the way to progress for the richest country in the world.
Why not do what us brits do with health care and find a way to worry about it later.
Wouldn't this be in violation of the 24th amendment?
[QUOTE=helpiminabox;18246307]Wouldn't this be in violation of the 24th amendment?[/QUOTE]
Holy shit, you're right.
Now watch them repeal the 24th Amendment to make way for the Bill.
[QUOTE=helpiminabox;18246307]Wouldn't this be in violation of the 24th amendment?[/QUOTE]
According to they way you think, I guess every time taxes go up, it violates the 24th amendment. As much as I would like to agree with you, the 24th amendment only applies to poll taxes.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;18246003][url=http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0722322820091107]Source[/url]
The Health Care bill currently being debated in the House of Reps requires all citizens to purchase health insurance or face upwards fines and up to 5 years in prison. Yes, it will be a felony to not have health insurance. No longer will you be able to vote, no longer will you be able to own a gun, no longer will you have your most fundamental rights. All because you did not purchase still broken health insurance.
What kind of freedom is that?
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Where does it say that in the article?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;18246449]Where does it say that in the article?[/QUOTe]
It doesn't. I just added my own research and opinion. Hence why it was not in quotes.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;18246003][url=http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0722322820091107]Source[/url]
The Health Care bill currently being debated in the House of Reps requires all citizens to purchase health insurance or face upwards fines and up to 5 years in prison. Yes, it will be a felony to not have health insurance. No longer will you be able to vote, no longer will you be able to own a gun, no longer will you have your most fundamental rights. All because you did not purchase still broken health insurance.
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I've read it's a fine up to $25k and up to one year in prison, not five. It is still as unconstitutional as you can get.
The only constitutional way to implement mandatory health insurance would be through a single-payer system.
Your country will still have broken healthcare if this passes.
[QUOTE=MercZ;18246050]damn gubmint takin' mah rights i want no socialism in here nop[/QUOTE]But feel free to regulate marriage laws, government! Us Conservatives have no problem with the government telling us who we can and cannot marry!
[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;18246642]I've read it's a fine up to $25k and up to one year in prison, not five. It is still as unconstitutional as you can get.[/QUOTE]
...Source?
You can't just say "Well I read somewhere that..." and make it true.
Fuck the police!
that's my solution
[QUOTE=Doug52392;18246881]But feel free to regulate marriage laws, government! Us Conservatives have no problem with the government telling us who we can and cannot marry![/QUOTE]
Who is this aimed at? I'm not a conservative.
You all know why there is a requirement to buy insurance, right? The legislation removes the preexisting condition excuse, meaning that insurance pretty much has to cover everyone. Without a requirement to buy insurance (with or without subsidies for poor people), nobody would bother buying insurance unless they got sick and needed healthcare, which the system wouldn't be able to afford without healthy people paying premiums.
It's still a half-assed way of doing it, though. What we actually need is Medicare expanded to cover everyone, pay for out of income taxes like every other First World country does it. But, the insurance lobby will have every Democrat in Congress shot before that happens, so this is the best we're going to get, and it's the only shot in the near future we have at getting it.
Otherwise, feel free to enjoy dying from not having enough money.
Once again, bad reading. At the bottom of my post, I note that we need a reform; just not this one.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;18247216]Once again, bad reading. At the bottom of my post, I note that we need a reform; just not this one.[/QUOTE]
Well, the alternative is the Republican plan, which amounts to "Tax cut, remove any and all regulation on insurance companies, and make sure you can't sue your doctor if he fucks you up while operating on you. Good luck."
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18247359]Well, the alternative is the Republican plan, which amounts to "Tax cut, remove any and all regulation on insurance companies, and make sure you can't sue your doctor if he fucks you up while operating on you. Good luck."[/QUOTE]
No, the alternative is real universal health care.
Obama's a fucking idiot...now he is desparite.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;18247477]No, the alternative is real universal health care.[/QUOTE]
True, that would be freakin awesome, and is logically the only way to go.
Unfortunately, Washington doesn't operate on logic, they operate on lobbyist dollars, cronyism, and a chronic case of being wildly out of touch with the non-millionaire population of the country. As such, even with this administration, universal healthcare would never pass. Hell, it would never make it out of committee. Therefore, we need to take what we can get in the hope that a few years down the line people are comfortable enough with government insurance to support taking the next step and having a single payer system.
I'll take this bill, even in it's imperfect form, over a universal bill dying in committee and nothing being done for another 8 or 12 years.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;18247477]No, the alternative is real universal health care.[/QUOTE]
This is the best that'll happen until America loses the stranglehold greedy corporations have on its neck.
this just keeps getting better and better
We get this, we know he wants congress to do as he likes. This is nothing new.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;18247238]I tried fucking them but they arrested me.[/QUOTE]
was it at least a female cop nothing againsts gays fyi just askin nvm
If going to universal health care gets rid of pre-existing conditions, Im all up for it.
New World Order
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18247577]I'll take this bill, even in it's imperfect form, over a universal bill dying in committee and nothing being done for another 8 or 12 years.[/QUOTE]
We've had government health care proposed in the Clinton years. Clinton was pushing to have it pass into law, but the bill was extremely unpopular. The thing is that Republicans had a control of Congress at the time to prevent it from passing. If that bill had pass, we'd be looking at Clinton very differently.
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