Chemical Warfare in Mosul - ISIS uses suspected chemical weapons against Iraqi forces
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MOSUL, Iraq – A mortar believed to be fired by ISIS landed near a Rudaw team embedded with Iraqi forces in Mosul, causing severe respiratory problems among the advancing Iraqi soldiers and media.
The incident happened as Iraqi forces were battling the militant group near Ashur hotel in the center of Mosul, facing ISIS mortar and sniper fire.
Rudaw’s camera captured the moment blue-tinged smoke made its way towards a school building where Iraqi forces and Rudaw’s team were stationed.
As a thick plume of smoke reaches the Iraqi forces, they start panic and flee the school.
“My eyes have gone blind,” Rudaw’s cameraman Sirwan Jalal cries out to reporter Nabard Hussein, both of whom run with the Iraqi forces out of the area.
“I am suffocating,” Jalal tells Hussein, asking him not leave him behind. People can be heard coughing and retching.
Hussein tells Jalal to hurry up, but Jalal continues to say, “My eyes cannot see.” He asks for water while making their way out.
Hussein, who has been covering the war against ISIS for almost three years, said that this mortar attack was different.
“There were many instances that mortar and car bombs exploded near us. But this one was so different,” Hussein told Rudaw TV in Erbil after he received treatment at a military hospital in Mosul and then at the Rozhawa hospital in Erbil.
“A smoke, which we first thought was a normal fire, after 10 seconds we felt suffocation and tears came out from our eyes and from our nose. Our eyesight went dark. In 10 seconds, I, the force that was there, and my cameraman, as it is seen, all of us pulled back. Some lost consciousness and many experienced vomiting. Our skin was itching. A lot of water came out of our eyes and nose, and our skins felt like burning... you feel your throat is blocked.”[/quote]
[url=http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/130320171]Rudaw[/url]
Judging by the color and the effects mentioned thus far, I'm leaning towards phosgene or teargas, but reports have been surfacing that people in the nearby area are experiencing blistering and water-blisters, which leads me to believe it could be also mustardgas in pure form. All three of these weapons have already been used by Daesh, and they even had planned on using a 1000l chlorine gas VBIED, which they intended to hit US-Iraqi forces with as Mosul International Airport.
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It's also been stated by several independent investigators, that Daesh's ability to manufacture weapons is on-par with industrial/military capabilities.
Honestly sounds like the exact symptoms as CS gas.
Which isn't exactly designed to be dangerous in the fatal sense (it would certainly incapacitate you for a bit but not life threatening) though who knows what ISIS could have cooked up with that as a base even. Scary thought.
Another nurse from my ward is on a Red Cross deployment in Iraq at the moment and she's pretty much confirmed in correspondence and interviews that chemical weapons are being used. They're getting a lot of refugees fleeing the battles with chemical burns and lung/eye symptoms at the field hospital.
fucking hell guys we have been training for and expecting them to use chemical weapons for years now, rediculous that all that training did jack
It's terrifiying to think what ISIS has in store for our SOF boys, and our Kurdish allies going into Al-Raqqa. :disgust:
The sooner they are defeated there the better. Keep going and fuck them up! Still shitty about the civilians though who can't leave/are collateral damage.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51966460]It's terrifiying to think what ISIS has in store for our SOF boys, and our Kurdish allies going into Al-Raqqa. :disgust:[/QUOTE]
The SOF guys will have had extensive training in fighting in a chemical environment and will have proper protective equipment. Everyone else should have the equipment too given it's pretty cheap but they may not have been trained with it.
I just realized something... Through out last year, we had been constantly hitting chemical plants in Mosul. What we are seeing being used right now, from the VBIEDs, mortar shells, and straight up gas tanks being opened up with favorable wind, is what ISIS [I]had left after the bombings[/I].
Supposedly [url=http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israel-fears-ISIS-chemical-attack-in-Europe-483862]Israel's Counter-Terrorism Bureau[/url] believes that their is a massive threat for a chemical attack in Europe. All it'd really take is for ISIS to move their men around and smurf-purchase the ingredients or get them from less regulated countries.
Please stay safe, European FP'ers.
[QUOTE=Sableye;51965481]fucking hell guys we have been training for and expecting them to use chemical weapons for years now, rediculous that all that training did jack[/QUOTE]
Well civilians dont have MOPP gear. And Iraqi forces aren't supplied with it, or are opting not to wear it at appropriate times due to most likely poor training.
I would rate some people with some bad coughing and watery eyes to be VERY low on the
list of "oh fuck" for things that ISIS could be using involving CBRNE.
What they described was CS. Shit hurts. But i'd take that over anything biological, or anything that targets neuro-muscular junctions IE Sarin, and Vx. Which the only cure for that is just pushing atrophine until a)affected person dies B) Affect person stops dying C)You die from exposure as well. Really anything besides what we're seeing right now is 100x worse. This show could get really ugly.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;51967425]Well civilians dont have MOPP gear. And Iraqi forces aren't supplied with it, or are opting not to wear it at appropriate times due to most likely poor training.
I would rate some people with some bad coughing and watery eyes to be VERY low on the
list of "oh fuck" for things that ISIS could be using involving CBRNE.
What they described was CS. Shit hurts. But i'd take that over anything biological, or anything that targets neuro-muscular junctions IE Sarin, and Vx. Which the only cure for that is just pushing atrophine until a)affected person dies B) Affect person stops dying C)You die from exposure as well. Really anything besides what we're seeing right now is 100x worse. This show could get really ugly.[/QUOTE]
Nerve gas is some scary shit. It might cause vision loss, respiratory distress and blistering like more typical chemical weapons, but it'll also cause your muscles to lose the ability to "turn off" until they basically rip themselves free of their connective tissue, and you asphyxiate because your diaphragm decided to commit suicide.
I wish my unit would issue me MOPP gear beyond gloves and boots, and probably an assigned mask somewhere in the depths of supply that I've never seen.
Also, we're losing our competent CBRN guy, and the dude who's going to be left in charge is a shitbag.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51967927]Nerve gas is some scary shit. It might cause vision loss, respiratory distress and blistering like more typical chemical weapons, but it'll also cause your muscles to lose the ability to "turn off" until they basically rip themselves free of their connective tissue, and you asphyxiate because your diaphragm decided to commit suicide.
I wish my unit would issue me MOPP gear beyond gloves and boots, and probably an assigned mask somewhere in the depths of supply that I've never seen.
Also, we're losing our competent CBRN guy, and the dude who's going to be left in charge is a shitbag.[/QUOTE]
shouldn't all your 68W dudes around you be competent in CBRNE?
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;51971426]shouldn't all your 68W dudes around you be competent in CBRNE?[/QUOTE]
We're a support company, I don't know if we even have 68Ws. We do have a field medical company next door to us, though.
