Creditcards of MH17 victims being used by Ukrainian Local and or rebels to put relatives in debt - Polidicks

This is fucking horrible. How could you feel good after using a dead persons credit card to buy things. [QUOTE]One of the British victims of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 has had [B]his belongings stolen from the crash site[/B] in eastern Ukraine, his brother-in-law has said. Cameron Dalziel, a 43-year-old helicopter rescue pilot, is understood to have been living in South Africa but travelling on a British passport. A Ukrainian government official claimed [B]credit cards and other valuable possessions[/B] had been stolen from victims after the crash and were being used, The Sun reports. A spokesperson for Ukraine's National Security Council told the newspaper: "According to our information, terrorists are using credit cards of the victims. Mr Dalziel's brother-in-law Shane Hattingh said: "We've been told some of his cards were stolen. After all we've been through - [B]to do this to the families is so cruel. It is leaving some struggling for money. This really is the final insult[/B]." Mr Dalziel’s wife Reine was on Thursday [B]struggling to cancel his cards[/B] because they are not in her name. She also [B]does not have a death certificate[/B] for her husband because the bodies have not been identified yet, further complicating matters. A spokesperson for the Foreign Office said it is continuing to provide consular support to the families of the victims, which includes helping to provide flights, accommodation and translation assistance for those who wish to travel to Kiev or Amsterdam. “We are also working with family members to protect victims from the possibility of financial and identify fraud,” the spokesperson added. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703704/MH17-victims-wife-forced-cancel-credit-cards-theyre-USED-pro-Russian-rebels-accused-answering-mobile-phones-stealing-jewellery-crash-site.html"]Dailymail[/URL] [URL="http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/3697537/2014/07/24/Creditcard-slachtoffer-MH17-gebruikt-in-Oekraine.dhtml"]AD.nl[/URL] [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mh17-crash-victim-cameron-dalziel-had-credit-cards-stolen-9627851.html"]Independent.co.uk[/url]

I don't think they're specifically doing it to put the relatives of the victims in debt. They just sort of... buy things. Because they're horrible fucking pieces of human garbage.

complete assholes, lowest of the low

how come the credit card companies don't cancel the cards?

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45497628]how come the credit card companies don't cancel the cards?[/QUOTE] Creditcards can only be cancelled: 1) By the credit card company for not paying bills 2) By the cardholder 3) A relative. Relatives need death certificates which aren't there yet, since there is no official identification. It's still underway. The persons themselves are deceased. The credit card companies have no reason to think anything is wrong because bills are being paid, and they have had neither of the other two possibilities happen. They cant just cancel cards because people are deceased, since it's frequently fraudulently used to get rid of debt.

-im bad at reading-

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45497679]Can't you just report it stolen and that's the end of it?[/QUOTE] I think that still leaves them with the issue of "it has to be the person"

[QUOTE=gudman;45497610]I don't think they're specifically doing it to put the relatives of the victims in debt. They just sort of... buy things. Because they're horrible fucking pieces of human garbage.[/QUOTE] Just like a person who is automutilative, does not cut themselves to mutilate their bodies, but to short-term remedy psychological pain. The problem is, you are still mutilating your body. The relatives of the victims have lost their family, many of which were the adult breadwinners of the family. Now they are deceased, there's no income, no insurance payout yet (since there's no death certificate) and no way to cancel cards like this. They ARE going in debt, which is horrible. But yeah I don't know why I said this since you basically said the same thing already. Just wanted to emphasize. At least the Dutch tax institute has promised all Dutch relatives they will not have to worry about paying heritage tax, and other taxes for some time untill everything has been cleared up. They are considering to waiver or ease the burden of heritage tax on a per-case level even, I heard.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45497628]how come the credit card companies don't cancel the cards?[/QUOTE] "I'm sorry, ma'am, we can't take action without the cardholder. Is he available?" "HE'S DEAD." "Oh, goodness, I'm sorry. Well, we can handle that. Can you please fax us his death certificate?" "He's a body in the MH17 crash, it's still being investigated, so not yet." "Well, until we get proof, I can't help you, I'm sorry." I bet it went down like that. And I'm [B]sure[/B] some people make up deaths in major disasters to get things cancelled, hoping to swing emotional weight over evidence. Cleaning up accounts of deceased people is tricky, because usually once someone's marked as deceased in the system, it becomes hellish to un-decease them if it turns out they were fraudulently declared dead just to get out of a contract or whatever. It becomes a point of balancing security and proof against pissing off someone who's already going through incredible grief and stress while trying to handle the deceased's ongoing matters. But even then, I'm sure credit card companies would be more than glad to suspend cards to prevent ongoing abuse. I'm not sure whether the policy or the phone reps are the source of retardation here.

[QUOTE=Pr0fane;45497651]They can only be cancelled by the credit card company for not paying bills, by the person themselves, or a relative. Relatives need death certificates which aren't there yet, since there is no official identification. It's still underway. The persons themselves are deceased. The credit card companies have no reason to think anything is wrong because bills are being paid, and they have had neither of the other two possibilities happen.[/QUOTE] then why are the relatives still paying the bills? i mean, it should be pretty fucking obvious if it isn't the person who owns the credit card isnt using the credit card if they lived their entire life in the netherlands when suddenly a bunch of purchases in the ukraine start coming through. [editline]25th July 2014[/editline] like, it would be majorly bad publicity for a company to put a family who lost someone in the crash into debt because they wouldn't cancel or suspend the card, especially if the family made a big enough of a stink about it [editline]25th July 2014[/editline] hell, even proof that the person was on the plane should be enough for a death certificate to be issued in this case imo

That's fucked up that they're buying stuff with their credit cards, but I could totally see anyone doing that.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45497708]then why are the relatives still paying the bills? i mean, it should be pretty fucking obvious if it isn't the person who owns the credit card isnt using the credit card if they lived their entire life in the netherlands when suddenly a bunch of purchases in the ukraine start coming through.[/QUOTE] Don't know about credit cards in the USA, but in the Netherlands when you use a creditcard it gets saved up to the end of the month, then it gets taken from a bankaccount that the cardholder linked. At least, thats how my creditcards work. This means that relatives without deathcertificates can't freeze bank accounts, or withdraw money. Neither can they terminate the creditcard. They can't do anything without a death certificate.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45497708]then why are the relatives still paying the bills? i mean, it should be pretty fucking obvious if it isn't the person who owns the credit card isnt using the credit card if they lived their entire life in the netherlands when suddenly a bunch of purchases in the ukraine start coming through. [editline]25th July 2014[/editline] like, it would be majorly bad publicity for a company to put a family who lost someone in the crash into debt because they wouldn't cancel or suspend the card, especially if the family made a big enough of a stink about it [editline]25th July 2014[/editline] hell, even proof that the person was on the plane should be enough for a death certificate to be issued in this case imo[/QUOTE] Because his bill probably isn't due until the end of this month or early into August?

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;45497708]then why are the relatives still paying the bills? i mean, it should be pretty fucking obvious if it isn't the person who owns the credit card isnt using the credit card if they lived their entire life in the netherlands when suddenly a bunch of purchases in the ukraine start coming through. [editline]25th July 2014[/editline] like, it would be majorly bad publicity for a company to put a family who lost someone in the crash into debt because they wouldn't cancel or suspend the card, especially if the family made a big enough of a stink about it [editline]25th July 2014[/editline] hell, even proof that the person was on the plane should be enough for a death certificate to be issued in this case imo[/QUOTE] Oh yeah just what they need, bad credit on top of everything else because they didn't pay the bills.

I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the US it's illegal to try and collect the debt of a dead person via their relatives. It's the companies responsibilities to terminate the services of deceased customers, not their relatives. There are exceptions, such as if a person co-signed for a credit card - but if that's the case, the person should simply be able to cancel the credit card without any hassle.

Yeah I think it is more the emotional toll of finding out someone had the gall to steal and use the belongings of a person that died, let alone in a tragedy. No one is going to end up in debt because of this, they will get it all resolved in time.

Do they also laugh at homeless children? Way to be comically evil

[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;45498161]Do they also laugh at homeless children? Way to be comically evil[/QUOTE] they're just trying their best to qualify as honorary ISIS members

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;45498037]Yeah I was wondering this, why would relatives even be affected by the use of a dead mans credit card?[/QUOTE] As far as I know, in the Netherlands when you inherit everything of some person, be it a relative or what have you, you also inherit any loans. You can reject the inheritance, but everything that person owned is then government property.

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;45499255]As far as I know, in the Netherlands when you inherit everything of some person, be it a relative or what have you, you also inherit any loans. You can reject the inheritance, but everything that person owned is then government property.[/QUOTE] Then the guberment inherits the debt :P

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;45499255]As far as I know, in the Netherlands when you inherit everything of some person, be it a relative or what have you, you also inherit any loans. You can reject the inheritance, but everything that person owned is then government property.[/QUOTE] How is that putting anyone in debt? If the shit you inherit can pay the debt off, you do that. If it can't, you refuse inheritance. It sucks yes, but it should not put anyone half-smart in debt.

If they get an invoice of what the purchase was for, couldn't they just go through the trouble of finding the ones that paid for a ticket matching the MH17 flight and cancel the card? [editline]cocks[/editline] The bank that is

It's a warzone.. It's sad, but I don't know what people expect.

Sales of vodka and Russian flags skyrocket.

Is it not possible to just suspend the card so the debt exists until a death certificate but the card can't be used?

They're not going to be liable for the debt.

They should just suspend the cards of anyone who was on board the flight until further notice.

Wouldn't it be better for the banks to want to cancel them? They will 100% have to pay that money back to the people once they prove that their relative indeed died on that flight. What are they going to use as an excuse? I guess he/she survived and bought a bunch of shit online afterwards? I fucking doubt it.

You have to be a real piece of shit to use a dead person's credit card. Asshole bonus if the victim died in a fucking tragic incident.

Governments should have a protocol for this shit, instead of raising flags half mast and going "ain't it awful" there should be a fucking system in place to prevent this further torment to the victims/families. Don't say this is a unique case, all sorts of civilian casualties have happened in foreign soil before.