Ketamine may help depression and I'm melting into a warm puddle of soft fur and why am I flying over
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[I]Ketamine offers an avenue of research into a field that has struggled to find new treatments for depression[/I]
[quote=BBC]
The illegal party drug ketamine is an "exciting" and "dramatic" new treatment for depression, say doctors who have conducted the first trial in the UK.
Some patients who have faced incurable depression for decades have had symptoms disappear within hours of taking low doses of the drug.
The small trial on 28 people, reported in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, shows the benefits can last months.
Experts said the findings opened up a whole new avenue of research.
Depression is common and affects one-in-10 people at some point in their lives.
Antidepressants, such as prozac, and behavioural therapies help some patients, but a significant proportion remain resistant to any form of treatment.
A team at Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust gave patients doses of ketamine over 40 minutes on up to six occasions.
Eight showed improvements in reported levels of depression, with four of them improving so much they were no longer classed as depressed.
Some responded within six hours of the first infusion of ketamine.
Lead researcher Dr Rupert McShane said: "It really is dramatic for some people, it's the sort of thing really that makes it worth doing psychiatry, it's a really wonderful thing to see.
He added: "[The patients] say 'ah this is how I used to think' and the relatives say 'we've got x back'."
Dr McShane said this included patients who had lived with depression for 20 years.
[B]"It is exciting, but it's not about to be a routine treatment as where we need to be going is maintaining the response... it's not about to replace prozac."[/B][/quote]
[url="http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26647738"]little More in BBC source [/url]
Are you ready to enter the K-Hole?
you can enter my k-hole
what
that title
Ketamine doesn't compare to DXM though. That shit's awesome.
That's a pretty effective turn-around if I'm reading it correctly.
You know, as someone against recreational drug use this however does catch my interest.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;44440207][B]You know, as someone against recreational drug use[/B] this however does catch my interest.[/QUOTE]
may i ask why?
This is unusual because from what I clinically know, Ketamine's usually only meant for anaesthetic purposes when skeletal muscle relaxation isn't required. It can otherwise be used as supplemental anaesthesia, but otherwise is medically good for not much else, at least until this recent discovery.
"party drug"
if everyone's fucked on kay there's not much partying gonna be getting done...
Yeah not sure why you'd take K recreationally. So many better drugs.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;44440360]Yeah not sure why you'd take K recreationally. So many better drugs.[/QUOTE]
Every drug user has their preferences. For example I only smoke weed and drink.
[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;44440327]"party drug"
if everyone's fucked on kay there's not much partying gonna be getting done...[/QUOTE]
You say that, when we were younger we'd get on it and go out. But then I didn't have it for a few years and had some round a mates and thought "Christ how did we ever go out on this?" as my mate lay his hands on the wall saying he feels like he's bending it.
Quite a bit of fun wallowing in front of the telly if you can manage to keep up with what's going on. Oh those were the ket days
Or you could just exercise and eat well and do something interesting with your life instead of using drugs? I mean I don't care if someone uses drugs but in my personal experience drugs do not help depression but only make it worse in the long run.
[QUOTE=crazyjames;44440553]Or you could just exercise and eat well and do something interesting with your life instead of using drugs? I mean I don't care if someone uses drugs but in my personal experience drugs do not help depression but only make it worse in the long run.[/QUOTE]
medical trial shows ketamine can help relieve severe depression - "hey guys why dont you just exercise instead"
depression is different for everyone, why should we artificially limit the tools we can use to deal with it
[QUOTE=crazyjames;44440553]Or you could just exercise and eat well and do something interesting with your life instead of using drugs? I mean I don't care if someone uses drugs but in my personal experience drugs do not help depression but only make it worse in the long run.[/QUOTE]
If it helps, I say they go for it.
[QUOTE=crazyjames;44440553]Or you could just exercise and eat well and do something interesting with your life instead of using drugs? I mean I don't care if someone uses drugs but in my personal experience drugs do not help depression but only make it worse in the long run.[/QUOTE]
it literally says it was used with people with incurable depression in the article, that's clearly not about exercise and diet
[QUOTE=strayebyrd;44440613]it literally says it was used with people with incurable depression in the article, that's clearly not about exercise and diet[/QUOTE]
no its obvious they just didnt man up enough
[QUOTE=crazyjames;44440553]Or you could just exercise and eat well and do something interesting with your life instead of using drugs? I mean I don't care if someone uses drugs but in my personal experience drugs do not help depression but only make it worse in the long run.[/QUOTE]
I know people who have "exercised and eaten right" because they believed that their weight or sociability was the cause of their depression, but lo and behold they were still depressed.
Most people who are depressed are so because of either the larger path of their life or a chemical imbalance, neither of which can be changed by something so trivial as that.
When I was depressed in my teenage years marijuana helped me overcome that. It was a great way to become not depressed for a while and also made me sociable and carefree, which while not helping get rid of my depression definitely got me through the long haul of it with notably less damage to my psyche.
[QUOTE=crazyjames;44440553]Or you could just exercise and eat well and do something interesting with your life instead of using drugs? I mean I don't care if someone uses drugs but in my personal experience drugs do not help depression but only make it worse in the long run.[/QUOTE]
implying you can't do both, hm?
[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;44440327]"party drug"
if everyone's fucked on kay there's not much partying gonna be getting done...[/QUOTE]
at lower doses its kinda like just being drunk
plus dancing feels kinda weird and cool on it
[QUOTE=.Lain;44440247][QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;44440207]You know, as someone against recreational drug use this however does catch my interest.[/QUOTE]
may i ask why?[/QUOTE]
"I'm opposed to recreational drug use" isn't really that vast of an awful thing to say. It shouldn't necessitate an immediate counter in an only tangentially related thread, I think,.
I just wrote a report on how to sedate a chimp using ketamine, and this is only weeks after i got wasted on ketamine! And now this! Wow ketamine, you're the best.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;44440911]"I'm opposed to recreational drug use" isn't really that vast of an awful thing to say. It shouldn't an immediate counter in an only tangentially related thread, I think,.[/QUOTE]
why jump the gun mate, i asked an honest question
I prefer alcohol
[QUOTE=ratman;44440952]I just wrote a report on how to sedate a chimp using ketamine, and this is only weeks after i got wasted on ketamine! And now this! Wow ketamine, you're the best.[/QUOTE]
Ketamine is the new graphene
[QUOTE=crazyjames;44440553]Or you could just exercise and eat well and do something interesting with your life instead of using drugs? I mean I don't care if someone uses drugs but in my personal experience drugs do not help depression but only make it worse in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Actually, a combination of therapy and anti-depressants does wonders for depression.
[QUOTE=crazyjames;44440553]Or you could just exercise and eat well and do something interesting with your life instead of using drugs? I mean I don't care if someone uses drugs but in my personal experience drugs do not help depression but only make it worse in the long run.[/QUOTE]
what an ignorant opinion
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;44439959]Ketamine doesn't compare to DXM though. That shit's awesome.[/QUOTE]
DXM was the worst experience of my entire high school age.
Shame it destroys your bladder, or would that not happen at the low doses they are talking about?
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