• Asian woman at student protest says that black people can be racist.
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[video=youtube;A8UTj8lQJhY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY[/video] "We shouldn't judge people on their race...", "black people can be racist" "We have to look at people individually" I'm honestly sad about this.
This is fucked, the Woman had a great point, but then she got silenced for no fucking reason besides her differing view. To end racism, you shouldn't judge people on their race. Even if you mean good, you can still end up racist.
Remember guys. Only whites can be racist Only men can abuse their spouse
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;49106994]Remember guys. Only whites can be racist Only men can abuse their spouse[/QUOTE] racism = power + prejudice * stupidity / π also one of the girls who shouted her down has a "OBEY" sweatshirt, as if this video isnt already a perfect example of how fucked this is
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49106881][video=youtube;A8UTj8lQJhY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY[/video] "We shouldn't judge people on their race...", "black people can be racist" "We have to look at people individually" I'm honestly sad about this.[/QUOTE] Honestly I'm suprised more people don't know about this; he's apologised for it since then but Ice Cube once made a pretty rasict song called "Black Korea" where he fires pretty nasty shots at Koreans cause he feels like they treat him poorly. Everybody just needs to respect one another regardless of who you are.
The best thing to do when it comes to people like this is to not give them attention. Sensationalism is exactly what they're looking for, because sensationalism draws in power. Word about them gets spread, they infiltrate the media, and people go to join their cause. It's not just this person doing it, but it's pretty much everyone now, and with that comes responsibility of viewership. Be careful of how you react to outrage.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49107157]The best thing to do when it comes to people like this is to not give them attention. Sensationalism is exactly what they're looking for, because sensationalism draws in power. Word about them gets spread, they infiltrate the media, and people go to join their cause. It's not just this person doing it, but it's pretty much everyone now, and with that comes responsibility of viewership. Be careful of how you react to outrage.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you mean. This line of thinking isn't some crazy sensationalist propaganda. Where do you think they learned that racism is only for the privileged? From their professors of course. Where else?
this entire thing that started coming into the lamplight 3~ years ago or so looks more and more like a parody of itself each passing day it's like a kafkaesque daydream watching these videos
Oh, I should be clear that I'm talking about the people who silenced her, not the person who explained that black people can be racist too. I'm also not sure what you're talking about with the professor thing. My professors aren't really like that. The closest professor I've got to some of this stuff have just been great build-em-up types that tell people to embrace their sexuality and respect other people's labels. None of them have said anything contrary to the idea that black people can be racist.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49107190]Oh, I should be clear that I'm talking about the people who silenced her, not the person who explained that black people can be racist too. I'm also not sure what you're talking about with the professor thing. My professors aren't really like that. The closest professor I've got to some of this stuff have just been great build-em-up types that tell people to embrace their sexuality and respect other people's labels. None of them have said anything contrary to the idea that black people can be racist.[/QUOTE] he's saying that a generation of philosophing professors taught a new generation that unless you're a special snowflake you should feel bad about yourself
Again, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Could you point me to a source or something that explains what you're saying? In my personal experience, my professors have not done that nor have they contributed to that.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49107190]Oh, I should be clear that I'm talking about the people who silenced her, not the person who explained that black people can be racist too. I'm also not sure what you're talking about with the professor thing. My professors aren't really like that. The closest professor I've got to some of this stuff have just been great build-em-up types that tell people to embrace their sexuality and respect other people's labels. None of them have said anything contrary to the idea that black people can be racist.[/QUOTE] I know your professors aren't like that, but where else would a student learn that line of thinking from? You don't naturally come to a stupid conclusion like racism only being possible for the privileged and "powerful." That's a taught conclusion, and it's not even a rare one within the humanities.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49107190]with the professor thing.[/QUOTE] I see the "Prejudice + Power" thing quite often. Whether it be in regards to women abusing men or black people being racist. Mostly from people that take sociology courses at universities or by the professors themselves. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im25MN5AwIc[/url]
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49107204]Again, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Could you point me to a source or something that explains what you're saying? In my personal experience, my professors have not done that nor have they contributed to that.[/QUOTE] I don't understand what's so hard to understand he's talking on a general level, just because you're not taking feminist gender studies or classes about sociology and racism doesn't mean you can not grasp the concept here *your* professors are not what he meant when he said *professors* [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] also the general idea that we have to be more accepting of all races has actually bred this thing where a white guy can not help but feel a lump in his throat in certain situations just because [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] [video=youtube;DMrYfKo9qoY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMrYfKo9qoY[/video] [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] in the end it all boils down to [B]who the fuck cares [/B]
When I talk about racism, I use the actual dictionary definition as it's pretty clear cut
[QUOTE=Wii60;49107032]racism = power + prejudice * stupidity / π[/QUOTE] The math checks out. :ok:
[QUOTE=vodka quest;49107220] in the end it all boils down to [B]who the fuck cares [/B][/QUOTE] People being racist and colleges bullying people they disagree with is pretty serious.
Americans stigmatize racial relations to an absurd height not seen in other parts of the world, except maybe Sweden.
I'm so glad I graduated college before all this stupid shit happened. My old school had a social justice week where you basically had to feel bad all the time about everything with no real perspective or experience.
The disgusting part is that someone is holding up a sign in the backgroudn that reads "I will not be silenced" Yea, You won't be silenced but you will silence anybody opposing your ideology. Hmm, who does that remind me of?
[QUOTE=Xonax;49106977]This is fucked, the Woman had a great point, but then she got silenced for no fucking reason besides her differing view. To end racism, you shouldn't judge people on their race. Even if you mean good, you can still end up racist.[/QUOTE] She didn't get fucking silenced, did we even watch the same video? She spoke, and then [i]a single person[/i] in a large crowd tried to get her to stop talking. That person was yelled at by everyone else, who supported the girl. If anything that proves the point that the stereotypical ESS JAY DOUBLEYA isn't even taken seriously by people who support social justice. Oh, and what was this "safe space" that everyone seems to think is some sort of "SJW" conspiracy to strip free speech from college campuses? All students were asking for is a permanent space to be set up, the size of a single classroom, and a support system to be created in the form of dedicated staff trained to help support minority students. That's it. They weren't asking ot turn the entire campus into a "safe space." They just wanted a dedicated spot on campus where they could freely be open with other minorities about their experiences. I honestly have no fucking clue how people are going from this to "THEY WANT TO STOP ANYONE FROM SAYING ANYTHING THAT COULD 'TRIGGER' ANYONE ON CAMPUS!" And people on this college campus were promised this space eight months ago by administration, and it was even promoted to incoming freshmen during college tours. But sure enough when the new school year began, no such space was created. This is the reason for the protests now. And as for the other woman's comments about derailing the conversation? That comment had nothing to do with the girl's comment about black people being racist. It was referring to the fact that the comments were not relevant to the point of the protest, which was in regards to the racist incidents that have occurred at the school, not general things that have occurred in people's lives. The video clib was deliberately edited to remove that part of the conversation by someone with an agenda to push. Here's the continuation of that woman's comments. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB7Vy-lZZ8&feature=youtu.be&t=2267[/url] This blind anti-social justice circlejerk, being spread by certain users who literally post nothing to Facepunch but hysteria against dem literally hitler ESS JAY DOUBLEYAS is ridiculous. Nearly every point being made against the protests is ignorant, fabricated, and not true, and just goes to show you who the real uneducated ones are.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;49108713] This blind anti-social justice circlejerk[/QUOTE] I'm quite in favor of social justice. I believe that freedom of expression is necessary when aiming to achieve a tolerant and inclusive society. This rabid safe space censorship mob does nothing to advance social justice.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49108763]I'm quite in favor of social justice. I believe that freedom of expression is necessary when aiming to achieve a tolerant and inclusive society. This rabid safe space censorship mob does nothing to advance social justice.[/QUOTE] How exactly is establishing a resource center, a single office, for minority students, with a single person trained in diversity, paramount to censorship? Because that's what the people in this protest were protesting for. Did you even realize that before posting this carefully edited video? And can you provide an exampleof censorship in this video?
[QUOTE=sgman91;49107205]I know your professors aren't like that, but where else would a student learn that line of thinking from? You don't naturally come to a stupid conclusion like racism only being possible for the privileged and "powerful." That's a taught conclusion, and it's not even a rare one within the humanities.[/QUOTE] From the echo chambers of Twitter and Tumblr, wherein a user (by choosing who they follow and listen to) chooses how they reinforce their views. Without the exposure to views opposite or different from your own ones own views grow stronger. The echo chamber effect is well documented, unlike the vague point made here. Professors are unlikely to feed this more, look at how many of them get attacked for "triggering" individuals or not respecting their views. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] The echo chamber happens here on the far left, and just as commonly on the far right
[QUOTE=paindoc;49108814]From the echo chambers of Twitter and Tumblr, wherein a user (by choosing who they follow and listen to) chooses how they reinforce their views. Without the exposure to views opposite or different from your own ones own views grow stronger. The echo chamber effect is well documented, unlike the vague point made here. Professors are unlikely to feed this more, look at how many of them get attacked for "triggering" individuals or not respecting their views.[/QUOTE] And you honestly think anti-"SJWs" are any different? Listening to the echo chambers of reddit and Facepunch, I get a totally ignorant, misrepresented, and fabricated narrative of these protests that is not grounded in reality. This video is a perfect example. I got a [i]totally different perspective[/i] much more close to reality by actually watching an unedited video of the protest, reading the actual letter the student groups wrote about why they were protesting, and reading comments written by people who were actually at the protest. Meanwhile had I listened to the most upvoted reddit comments about this video, I would have thought these people were complete morons. Anyone against social justice who spouts off these kinds of talking points are themselves the victim of echo chamber group think.
i'd say an entire crowd mumbling disapprovingly could be pretty silencing especially if you're already nervous about what you're saying.
[QUOTE=paindoc;49108814] The echo chamber effect is well documented, unlike the vague point made here. Professors are unlikely to feed this more, look at how many of them get attacked for "triggering" individuals or not respecting their views.[/QUOTE] Racism = Power + Privilege is a sociological definition for racism. Something taught in an academic setting. [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;49108788] And can you provide an exampleof censorship in this video?[/QUOTE] It was very passive aggressive attempt, being so audibly disgusted with her statement "black people can also be racist" Look at the moments after she says that. Multiple people walk over to shut her up with these awkward grins on their faces but she tries to tough it out and better articulate her point.
I unfortunately cannot watch the video. Hey Spess when the last time you adhered to another ideology besides the one your currently hold?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;49108843]And you honestly think anti-"SJWs" are any different? Listening to the echo chambers of reddit and Facepunch, I get a totally ignorant, misrepresented, and fabricated narrative of these protests that is not grounded in reality. This video is a perfect example. I got a [i]totally different perspective[/i] much more close to reality by actually watching an unedited video of the protest, reading the actual letter the student groups wrote about why they were protesting, and reading comments written by people who were actually at the protest. Meanwhile had I listened to the most upvoted reddit comments about this video, I would have thought these people were complete morons. Anyone against social justice who spouts off these kinds of talking points are themselves the victim of echo chamber group think.[/QUOTE] I was unaware I had given more support to one group or side, or agreed with one side. I was pointing out what causes this thinking. I even edited my post to include that both sides see this sort of thinking. The largest issue with it is that it leads to pretty absolute thinking, instead of something more in the middle. And with protests like this the emotions tied to the protest tend to fog things a bit, and make pack or mob behavior more apparent. I don't know the full story and won't claim to know it or know who's right until I see the full context. But it's uncommon for anyone to put the effort in to do that tbh
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;49108843]And you honestly think anti-"SJWs" are any different? Listening to the echo chambers of reddit and Facepunch, I get a totally ignorant, misrepresented, and fabricated narrative of these protests that is not grounded in reality. This video is a perfect example. I got a [i]totally different perspective[/i] much more close to reality by actually watching an unedited video of the protest, reading the actual letter the student groups wrote about why they were protesting, and reading comments written by people who were actually at the protest. Meanwhile had I listened to the most upvoted reddit comments about this video, I would have thought these people were complete morons. Anyone against social justice who spouts off these kinds of talking points are themselves the victim of echo chamber group think.[/QUOTE] A lot of people claim to be more progressive than SJW's, which claim to be more progressive than others, when in reality it's an imaginary product of their ego. The quicker people can force others into enemy territory, the easier it is for them to dismiss them. Facepunch isn't any different - you can't have an actual reasonable discussion without certain people trying to push you into a box to fling dumbs at under the misnomer of openness. That's not to say that Facepunch is the worst thing ever, just that Facepunch isn't separate from society. Society is like this. People pretend to be open when they're actually close-minded with a veil of openness. My goal as a person and as a possible influence for groups and what not is to allow people truly speak how they feel and work on finding some common ground if possible. What you saw in this video is not unique to this one awesome Asian woman. In fact, it can be and has been in reverse, and it's personally why I've stopped participating so much in online conversations over the last year - and not just because of problems I've had in the past, but seeing people genuinely open up and be scorned by people who imagine themselves to be better and more open than they actually are. And I'm not perfect, I still have those problems too, but I think there's a disconnect with society's "openness" in all movements. Our society puts a lot of people in fear of saying controversial things with group think - it's not unique to this instance.
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