[quote]VATICAN CITY – The Vatican raised the possibility Sunday of using behind-the-scenes diplomacy to try to save the life of an Iranian widow sentenced to be stoned for adultery.
In its first public statement on the case, which has attracted worldwide attention, the Vatican decried stoning as a particularly brutal form of capital punishment.
Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said the Catholic church opposes the death penalty in general.
It is unclear what chances any Vatican bid would have to persuade the Muslim nation to spare the woman's life. Brazil, which has friendly relations with Iran, was rebuffed when it offered her asylum.
Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani was convicted in 2006 of adultery. In July, Iranian authorities said they would not carry out the stoning sentence for the time being, but the mother of two could still face execution by hanging for adultery and other offenses.
Her son, Sajad, told the Italian news agency Adnkronos that he was appealing to Pope Benedict XVI and to Italy to work to stop the execution.
Lombardi told The Associated Press that no formal appeal had reached the Vatican. But he hinted that Vatican diplomacy might be employed to try to save Ashtiani.
Lombardi said in a statement that the Holy See "is following the case with attention and interest."
"When the Holy See is asked, in an appropriate way, to intervene in humanitarian issues with the authorities of other countries, as it has happened many times in the past, it does so not in a public way, but through its own diplomatic channels," Lombardi said in the statement.
In one of the late Pope John Paul II's encyclicals in 1995, the pontiff laid out the Catholic Church's stance against capital punishment.
John Paul went to bat in several high-profile cases of death-row inmates in the United States. One of the first was the case of Paula Cooper, who was convicted of murdering her elderly Bible teacher when she was 15 but spared the electric chair by Indiana in 1989.
But that same year, a papal appeal for clemency to Cuba to spare a war hero and three other Cuban officers convicted of drug trafficking from the firing squad went unheeded.
Meanwhile, Italy's foreign minister, Franco Frattini, told the ANSA news agency that while Italy respects Iranian sovereignty and isn't in any way interfering, "a gesture of clemency from Iran is the only thing that can save her."
Italy has strong economic ties, primarily energy interests, in Iran.[/quote]
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100905/ap_on_re_eu/eu_vatican_iran_stoning[/url]
that's good that there trying to save her life
also jesus OP you make a topic for literally everything >:O
It's good the Vatican's taking a stand on this, but it's probably not going to help considering how quickly the Iranian Ayatollahs branded Carla Bruni a whore
Ironic how the Bible supports stoning to death as punishment for adultery.
[QUOTE=TheBatman;24628385]Ironic how the Bible supports stoning to death as punishment for adultery.[/QUOTE]
I bet you're an atheist, aren't you?
You edgy, edgy man.
I wish I was as rebellious and edgy as you.
[QUOTE=TheBatman;24628385]Ironic how the Bible supports stoning to death as punishment for adultery.[/QUOTE]
Stop
[QUOTE=Smut Nippler;24628423]I bet you're an atheist, aren't you?
You edgy, edgy man.
I wish I was as rebellious and edgy as you.[/QUOTE]
Stop right now
[b]Nothing good will come of this[/b]
No shit its brutal
What if instead of throwing rocks, they could just get her so fucking high that she dies? I guess that could be considered stoning.
Better that she doesn't die though.
[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;24628520]Stop
Stop right now
[b]Nothing good will come of this[/b][/QUOTE]
[B][I]OH FUCK, SHIT STOoORRRRMMMMM!![/I][/B]
Even though I'm an atheist, I think it's nice that the Vatican is trying to do something about this.
[QUOTE=TheBatman;24628385]Ironic how the Bible supports stoning to death as punishment for adultery.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://range.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/let-he-who-is-without-sin-cast-the-first-stone/[/url]
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;24629025][url]http://range.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/let-he-who-is-without-sin-cast-the-first-stone/[/url][/QUOTE]
Yeah but it doesn't matter because the bible is full of contradictions anyway.
Life saving medical breakthrough?! [B][I][U]HERESY!!![/U][/I][/B] :catholic:
[QUOTE=Smut Nippler;24628423]I bet you're an atheist, aren't you?
You edgy, edgy man.
I wish I was as rebellious and edgy as you.[/QUOTE]
where the fuck did you get that from.
he's pointing out the irony in that the book they follow actually supports this.
[QUOTE=TheBatman;24628385]Ironic how the Bible supports stoning to death as punishment for adultery.[/QUOTE]
Only retarded people follow the bible word for word and take everything in the book seriously.
[QUOTE=Smut Nippler;24628423]I bet you're an atheist, aren't you?
You edgy, edgy man.
I wish I was as rebellious and edgy as you.[/QUOTE]
stop breaking my troll-o-meter
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;24632050]Only retarded people follow the bible word for word and take everything in the book seriously.[/QUOTE]
People who pick and choose their beliefs will be happy to tell you exactly what is meant to be taken seriously and what isn't in the bible. It's like a secret puzzle for those who aren't in the club.
No fish on Friday? Nah, that's not serious. The story of Sodom is about promiscuity? Let's use it as an excuse to hate faggots because they don't take the bible word for word.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;24629142]Yeah but it doesn't matter because the bible is full of contradictions anyway.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to talk about the factual contradictions because I know there are a ton of those but most people regard the New Testament as more cannon or Christian than the old Testament as it's more related to Christianity as opposed to Judaism and is also more recent.
The "Let he who is without sin, throw the first stone" was in relation to an adulterous woman anyway so if they followed the word of Jesus when there is a contradiction, they'd have to condemn it.
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[QUOTE=Omali;24632281]People who pick and choose their beliefs will be happy to tell you exactly what is meant to be taken seriously and what isn't in the bible. It's like a secret puzzle for those who aren't in the club.
No fish on Friday? Nah, that's not serious. The story of Sodom is about promiscuity? Let's use it as an excuse to hate faggots because they don't take the bible word for word.[/QUOTE]
Old Testament is pretty clear about it, Leviticus is pretty worn out. The New Testament [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament]has a few references[/url] to homosexuality but Jesus mentions sexual immorality in passing doesn't directly condemn homosexuality. Paul does say it's bad but not really a death penalty, plus he's just a disciple so he's not exactly as big of authority as Jesus.
[QUOTE=TheBatman;24628385]Ironic how the Bible supports stoning to death as punishment for adultery.[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked, Jesus saved Mary Madelene from being stoned to death for being a prostitute. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" if I remember correctly.
Just putting it out there.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;24630895]Life saving medical breakthrough?! [B][I][U]HERESY!!![/U][/I][/B] :catholic:[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure if someone found a cure for cancer, the Vatican wouldn't condemn it.
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[QUOTE=The golden;24633108]Kinda funny considering the church used to do shit that was 20x worse than this all the time.
You know, like being flayed alive or burned to death.[/QUOTE]
You're right, used to.
[QUOTE=KnightLight;24632853]Last time I checked, Jesus saved Mary Madelene from being stoned to death for being a prostitute. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" if I remember correctly.
Just putting it out there.[/QUOTE]
Read the whole bible.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;24633408]I'm pretty sure if someone found a cure for cancer, the Vatican wouldn't condemn it.[/QUOTE]
The cure: [b]athiesm![/b]
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[QUOTE=Viper the Tiger;24633532]Read the whole bible.[/QUOTE]
how boring...
Also, how can you read it like a good book? It's all just quotes, random 12:21's, and other mumbo-jumbo, no FULL paragraphs of text that captivate the reader. So such a task is next to impossible to do, unless you can handle reading a fiction that so many people believe is true.
It's like reading the twilight saga, and knowing that more than half of the people in the world WORSHIP it, and it's associated characters.
Oh shit, they do... :byodood:
Off topic discussion is off topic
[QUOTE=TheBatman;24628385]Ironic how the Bible supports stoning to death as punishment for adultery.[/QUOTE]
I have news for you.
The part of bible (old testament) which supports this was stated to not to be taken literally 2000 years ago. Even thought that the words have been twisted, misused and forgotten at many points through the history, true Christian deity calls to NEVER kill anybody under any circumstances.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;24637896]I have news for you.
The part of bible (old testament) which supports this was stated to not to be taken literally 2000 years ago. Even thought that the words have been twisted, misused and forgotten at many points through the history, true Christian deity calls to NEVER kill anybody under any circumstances.[/QUOTE]
It was taken literal 2000 years ago. It's not taken literal today.
Um actually it is taken literally for the most part, religion is just a popularist shitheap and evolves with society so that it can keep making money
[QUOTE=SeriousPoster;24639514]Um actually it is taken literally for the most part, religion is just a popularist shitheap and evolves with society so that it can keep making money[/QUOTE]
Oh please. The first 500 years when Christians were hated pretty much everywhere, generations of them usually died in horrifying ways, and when they didn't get murdered, they lived poor and isolated from other communities. This is undeniable, as it's stated even in historical sources of those who actually participated on murdering them (Muslims).
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;24640964]Oh please. The first 500 years when Christians were hated pretty much everywhere, generations of them usually died in horrifying ways, and when they didn't get murdered, they lived poor and isolated from other communities. This is undeniable, as it's stated even in historical sources of those who actually participated on murdering them (Muslims).[/QUOTE]
There are actually few cases of Christian persecution in history compared to other religions. Christians were the aggressors back then, Crusadin' all over this shit and Inquisitionin' all over people's business. They were the majority and the Church was powerful as fuck-all. You might be a a little bit misinformed bro.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;24637896]I have news for you.
The part of bible (old testament) which supports this was stated to not to be taken literally 2000 years ago. Even thought that the words have been twisted, misused and forgotten at many points through the history, true Christian deity calls to NEVER kill anybody under any circumstances.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/2%20Timothy%203.16-17"]2 Timothy 3:16-17[/URL], "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
That says ALL scripture. So according to the bible it is still meant to be taken literally.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;24641616][URL="http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/2%20Timothy%203.16-17"]2 Timothy 3:16-17[/URL], "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
That says ALL scripture. So according to the bible it is still meant to be taken literally.[/QUOTE]
thats a metaphor of course
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