Apple vs Samsung vs Apple; Who is the real bad guy here? - General

Apple and Samsung (mostly Apple) have been throwing lawsuits at each other like Angry Birds throw themselves at buildings. It all started when Apple sued Samsung for the similarities between the iPhone/iPads and Samsung's Galaxy S & Tab series. [img]http://vps.marlamin.nl/u/ga1.png[/img] I must admit I own both a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and a Galaxy S II so my preference obviously goes out to Samsung. Apple have taken the suing a little too far recently, and are making themselves look kind of bad. Who do you think is the bad guy here? Apple for suing the hell out of Samsung [i]or[/i] Samsung clearly being influenced by the iPhone/iPad? Does Samsung deserve getting sued?

Apple. [editline]19th September 2011[/editline] Oh, and actualy show the Galaxy S's homescreen please, you have the app drawer opened. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("This is not debating" - garry))[/highlight]

My opinon is that the only reason not to sue over patents is because they'll sue you back using the same method. It's the world they exist in. That's why they patent like mad. None of them are really the bad guy - it's what they have to do to survive.

Apple, they shopped images to make samsung products look more like apple products

Apple. Keep in mind that they sued more than just Samsung over the one single phone, they also sued plenty of other companies with the troll patenting strategy. Only the shape of the i9000 looks like the iphone, which hundreds of phones around the world shares the same basic structure as well.

Samsung's response to the recent device bans in europe: [url]http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2011/09/19/iphone-5-samsung-intends-to-seek-ban-in-korea/[/url] It would be epic if they managed to get iphone 5 banned in korea.

I'm an Apple user, and will side with them. One thing they need to realize is that they have created the future, and who knows what the iPad or iPhone can inspire another to do? They have also have made themselves the role model of all other creators. The sudden wave of smart phones to tablets being released in such a comparison as Apple is outstanding. If you want to use the same technology as Apple did, your products will always seem like ones by them.

Apple, they started the whole fiasco by claiming and shoping the Samsung phone to the same size of their iPhone, and claimed that they stole the look, where you can really only go a couple of ways to have your phone look like when it's a touch screen, apple's basically trying to copyright a rectangle with a screen.

They've both done wrong. Apple's being a massive dickhead by crying like a bunch of babies instead of just making a better product. But Apple does have those patents, which gives them the rights to do that and Samsung has no right to violate those patents.

They should be spending their money on making better, cheaper products (or actually helping, like getting homeless people homes) instead of crying to the courts and throwing money at lawyers. Its not helping anyone, both are going to suffer in the end and the only winner is the lawyers

Apple aren't happy that they're not the only one making phones people want. They were happy when they had just released the iPhone (and nobody else was even making anything like it). But now that Microsoft and Google want a piece of the smartphone market (and google already has a large slice) apple are doing everything they can to try and stay in the game. The only reason Apple won't sue Microsoft is because they previously agreed not to sue each other, and WP7 is currently not a threat.

[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;32375754]Apple, they shopped images to make samsung products look more like apple products[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://brandidentitytheft.com/blogimg/apple_galaxy_tab/ipad_galaxy_tab_revealed.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=NickH;32376459]I'm an Apple user, and will side with them. One thing they need to realize is that they have created the future, and who knows what the iPad or iPhone can inspire another to do? They have also have made themselves the role model of all other creators. The sudden wave of smart phones to tablets being released in such a comparison as Apple is outstanding. If you want to use the same technology as Apple did, your products will always seem like ones by them.[/QUOTE] And the best thing is that everyone else releases better and cheaper stuff compared to Apple's products. So, yea, Apple is to blame here. They have sued more companies in about a year then they have announced new products.

Apple seems to be the one who is causing many of the issues, looking to ban products not just for settlements, but the real problem is the patent system. In its current state it allows companies to take advantage of how it works.

Apple wants to sue anyone that makes a rectangular device with rounded corners, and buttons on the bottom part of the rectangle? Sound reasonable. Apple invented rounded rectangles, I'm sure. But in all seriousness, how can they possibly expect to do this? There aren't many shapes you can make a screen into. We sure as hell aren't going to use triangular screens. And I'm pretty sure devices have to have buttons somewhere, and they sure as hell shouldn't be on the back of the phone. You can't sue because other people are making the same common sense decisions you are.

It has more buttons which is enough reason for me to like it more. Honestly Apple, who the fuck thought that the one button does everything approach was a good idea?

I personally think Apple is wrong in this. Their apparent patents are ridiculous ("I can't make a rounded rectangle touchscreen phone?") and outdated, dating to a time when people didn't see the smartphone or tablet being what it is today.

Apple are the bad guys, but I think Samsung are just as bad as them for trying to get the iPhone 5 blocked in Korea.

[QUOTE=FlamingSpaz;32393065]Apple are the bad guys, but I think Samsung are just as bad as them for trying to get the iPhone 5 blocked in Korea.[/QUOTE] It's bad that it would be limiting consumer choice, but Apple kinda had it coming.

Apple's legal department is definitely being dicks, suing left and right like there's no tomorrow. Their iOS devices have made a huge impact on the industry, and Apple can't possibly sue every singe company who makes phones that look like theirs. I'd rather have a big market of tablets/smartphones with varied designs and concepts, than a big market of tablets/smartphones that all look the fucking same because "if it looks like Apple's, surely it must be successful!" Samsung's counter-suing will only dig them both deeper into the legal farce that is their figurative "hole".

Apple is the culprit of starting the war. They already had history being complete assholes and now this one comes along.

I don't know who's at fault. I own a Galaxy S II and the similarities to iPhone are very noticeable. That said, this should force Apple into being more innovative so that they don't risk making products that continue to have such close competitors. It's too late in the game to start saying other companies are being derivative when they make touch screen hardware that shares the kind of icons used in personal computers for 20 years.

The problem is with the patent system, not the companies.

There is no bad guy. Actually, I think this is just pure promotional from Apple. How more lawsuits they do, how more times their names get mentioned in the papers and on the internet. Which gives publicity and makes their products more popular. Conclusion: It's more of a game. Like they care about the patents? They make enough money, they have THAT much money, that they spend billion dollars for these kind of things. Why'd you do this if your stuff would be used by someone else? If all these lawsuits would have a decent base, there would be no lawsuit. If Apple really had to give away their profit because someone else used their patented stuff, they wouldn't have any money to start this much lawsuits, because they'll need all their money for promoting their product, to still get the profit they wanted. Sorry for my horrible English / explanation. I'm a non-native speaker and kind-off tired.

[QUOTE=Cyberuben;32412251]There is no bad guy. Actually, I think this is just pure promotional from Apple. How more lawsuits they do, how more times their names get mentioned in the papers and on the internet. Which gives publicity and makes their products more popular. Conclusion: It's more of a game. Like they care about the patents? They make enough money, they have THAT much money, that they spend billion dollars for these kind of things. Why'd you do this if your stuff would be used by someone else? If all these lawsuits would have a decent base, there would be no lawsuit. If Apple really had to give away their profit because someone else used their patented stuff, they wouldn't have any money to start this much lawsuits, because they'll need all their money for promoting their product, to still get the profit they wanted. Sorry for my horrible English / explanation. I'm a non-native speaker and kind-off tired.[/QUOTE] I don't really think that this is benefiting Apple in the slightest.

There are two bad guys. The patent system for making this bullshit possible and Apple for exploiting it. I hadn't heard of the South Korea thing that Samsung are trying to pull until now. It sounds childish but atleast justifiable considering what Apple did to them. [editline]23rd September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;32444382]I don't really think that this is benefiting Apple in the slightest.[/QUOTE] I for one won't be buying any more apple products after all of this. Once my iPod dies, that's it.

I would say from a legal standpoint, Samsung probably are the bad guys, but Apple is just taking it too far and making themselves look a bit silly. The thing is, I think that Samsung being influenced by Apple isn't a bad thing. If Samsung thought Apple had a good product, but there were things they could've improved on that they hadn't, then Samsung should deserve the right to be able to improve upon it. It's like video games, and for instance FPS. There are so many FPS games because despite them all being based on the same core (being played from the first person perspective), they all try to make the genre unique/improved in their own way.

The problem lies with the patent system, not any company.

[QUOTE=The DooD;32446623]I would say from a legal standpoint, Samsung probably are the bad guys, but Apple is just taking it too far and making themselves look a bit silly. The thing is, I think that Samsung being influenced by Apple isn't a bad thing. If Samsung thought Apple had a good product, but there were things they could've improved on that they hadn't, then Samsung should deserve the right to be able to improve upon it. It's like video games, and for instance FPS. There are so many FPS games because despite them all being based on the same core (being played from the first person perspective), they all try to make the genre unique/improved in their own way.[/QUOTE] I don't think that samsung can be be blamed for copying apple. Having used (but not owned) multiple generations of iPhone and the Samsung Galaxy S and S2, you can clearly see that there are plenty of differences between them. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] I find it a little bit ridiculous that Apple basically set the standard for smartphones and then complain and sue when they are over taken instead of trying to innovate and out do the competition.

[QUOTE=garry;32375752]My opinon is that the only reason not to sue over patents is because they'll sue you back using the same method. It's the world they exist in. That's why they patent like mad. None of them are really the bad guy - it's what they have to do to survive.[/QUOTE] Yet, is is companies like them that started this spiral of lawsuits, I'd say both of them are the bad guy.