North Korean Defector talks about Kim Jung Il's Oppression; he could read minds.
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[url]http://www.dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/real-life/i-am-a-north-korean-defector-20140407-36860.html[/url]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/north-korean-defector-says-she-believed-kim-jongil-was-a-god-who-could-read-her-mind-9251983.html[/url]
[QUOTE]I lived in North Korea for the first 15 years of my life, believing Kim Jong-il was a god. I never doubted it because I didn't know anything else. I could not even imagine life outside of the regime.
It was like living in hell. There were constant power outages, so everything was dark. There was no transportation – everyone had to walk everywhere. It was very dirty and no one could eat anything.
It was not the right conditions for human life, but you couldn't think about it, let alone complain about it. Even though you were suffering, you had to worship the regime every day.
I had to be careful of my thoughts because I believed Kim Jong-il could read my mind. Every couple of days someone would disappear. A classmate's mother was punished in a public execution that I was made to attend. I had no choice – there were spies in the neighbourhood.
My father worked for the government, so for a while things were relatively OK for me compared with some others in North Korea. But my father was accused of doing something wrong and jailed for three years. He being guilty made me guilty too, so whatever future I had in North Korea completely disappeared. I could no longer go to university, and my family was forced to move out of Pyongyang to the countryside on the border close to China.
After a few years, my father became very sick with cancer and he came out of jail for treatment. During this time, we decided to leave North Korea.[/QUOTE]
Seems like the whole mind reading thing is what people are interested in.
Literally 1984
While Kim Jong-il probably was able to read minds, his son Kim Jong-un is all like "tl;dr".
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;44597680]Literally 1984[/QUOTE] I think that North Korea has actually managed to be worse than Airstrip one in 1984. Atleast in 1984 there were a class of plebs who lived in relative freedom.
Jeez, it's scary to think that given the circumstances where no one can tell them otherwise, you can convince people that you're a god and not just a human being. And that they'll believe that long after you went out of their life, until enough people tell them otherwise.
Though, imho the most fucked bit is that the public executions, heck, the idea of a country executing their own civilians still exist.
From the full article:
[quote]I realised that everything I thought was a lie. I had not been a real person – I was created for the regime to work for them. If they ordered us to die, I would've died for them. I wasn't a human – I was something else.[/quote]
Wow.
Every time I hear about north korea like this it gets harder and harder to swallow. We've got all this amazing stuff where we live and over there is a completely different world.
It's interesting to see how much 60 years has changed the two countries
[QUOTE=WaRRioRTF;44597765]Jeez, it's scary to think that given the circumstances where no one can tell them otherwise, you can convince people that you're a god and not just a human being. And that they'll believe that long after you went out of their life, until enough people tell them otherwise.
Though, imho the most fucked bit is that the public executions, heck, the idea of a country executing their own civilians still exist.[/QUOTE]
I remember reading that he got inspiration from the idea of Jesus
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;44597928]It's interesting to see how much 60 years has changed the two countries[/QUOTE]
It happened a lot sooner than that. North Korea and South Korea were polar opposites in less than a decade.
[QUOTE=a dumb bear;44597797]From the full article:
Wow.[/QUOTE]
And this is also what makes it scary to go to war with them.
Imagine being a soldier and just keep seeing them come at you, screaming to die for Kim-Jong-Un.
They just keep coming even without weapons, but you have to keep shooting them.
jesus fucking christ
It would be basically needing to kill like 1 million or so of brain washed soldiers.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;44598127]And this is also what makes it scary to go to war with them.
Imagine being a soldier and just keep seeing them come at you, screaming to die for Kim-Jong-Un.
They just keep coming even without weapons, but you have to keep shooting them.
jesus fucking christ
It would be basically needing to kill like 1 million or so of brain washed soldiers.[/QUOTE]
I think North Korea would end up destroying itself if it entered an actual war. A lot of people in the country only do what they need to in order to survive. If a soldier without loved ones was put in a situation where they were basically told to do something suicidal, they'd probably end up killing their commanding officers.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;44598127]And this is also what makes it scary to go to war with them.
Imagine being a soldier and just keep seeing them come at you, screaming to die for Kim-Jong-Un.
They just keep coming even without weapons, but you have to keep shooting them.
jesus fucking christ
It would be basically needing to kill like 1 million or so of brain washed soldiers.[/QUOTE]
Even worse is that that's something really difficult to undo.
Like, suppose you spent your entire life believing that Jesus Christ walked the earth, and he ruled your country, exercising God's will. Then one day, foreigners come to your country, remove Jesus Christ from office, call him a criminal, and tell you he's been lying to you your whole life.
I think most people would not take this turn of events lightly, assuming it really is what most of them believe.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;44598206]If a soldier without loved ones was put in a situation where they were basically told to do something suicidal, they'd probably end up killing their commanding officers.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should take a look at WW1
[QUOTE=The mouse;44597744]I think that North Korea has actually managed to be worse than Airstrip one in 1984. Atleast in 1984 there were a class of plebs who lived in relative freedom.[/QUOTE]
The poor farmers in the less-urbanized part of the NK are probably left with little to no control too, given how difficut it would be to watch them non stop.
Hovever, I'm pretty sure that they are too hungry to even notice this "privilage".
We honestly should pay the Chinese to take them out. They're insane.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;44598109]It happened a lot sooner than that. North Korea and South Korea were polar opposites in less than a decade.[/QUOTE]
Eh not really.
North and South Korea had similar standards of living during the 1960s. North Korea got a lot of subsidies from the USSR and was industrializing pretty rapidly, and compared to before under Japanese rule they were during a lot better.
South Korea of course, while nominally free, was still effectively under a dictatorship. Things only really took off in South Korea during the 1970s while the North stagnated. The real trouble in the North really got going as the USSR began to collapse, with North Korean agriculture and industry pretty much imploding and having severe famines throughout the 90s.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;44598206]I think North Korea would end up destroying itself if it entered an actual war. A lot of people in the country only do what they need to in order to survive. If a soldier without loved ones was put in a situation where they were basically told to do something suicidal, they'd probably end up killing their commanding officers.[/QUOTE]
They probably wouldn't rebel against orders, actually. It might make sense to rebel from the perspective of people who have been raised in a highly-free environment and taught that self-sufficiency is crucial, like us residents of Western nations. However, to someone who's spent their entire life with little-to-no free will and been raised to blindly accept all orders while serving others, that kind of thinking would rarely if ever arise.
North Koreans are raised from birth to blindly serve the regime, and to always do as they're told by the regime. If you were raised in that kind of environment from the moment you were born, the ideas of having tons of personal freedom and not taking your government's shit would be Eldritch levels of alien to you. You can't rebel for the sake of a better life if you don't know it exists or cannot comprehend it, and the likelihood of the majority of "free" NK citizens getting educated about the outside world while the regime still stands is nonexistent.
An American invasion of North Korea would be like an alien invasion of America. Imagine if an alien race invaded America specifically, a race that had 100% free individuals which operated as a coherent whole without any leaders to command them. Now, imagine that these aliens immediately decried Christianity as bullshit, called God/Jesus a worthless abusive hack, and stated seriously that their own deities were actually real instead.
Most of the shit they said would either be incomprehensible or ignored, and we'd fight them tooth-and-nail to protect our ways of existence, blind to any good that might come of this because it poses a threat to our established lives. Also, because the aliens come off as massive dickheads to us, even if they may possibly be right.
An American invasion of NK would be roughly like that, from their perspective: A bunch of freakish foreigners calling your primary deity a sack of shit, calling you a bunch of slaves to said sack of shit, and then trying to fix the problem by killing him and anyone who tries to defend him. It would not end well, that much can be guaranteed.
[QUOTE=Loofiloo;44598236]Even worse is that that's something really difficult to undo.
Like, suppose you spent your entire life believing that Jesus Christ walked the earth, and he ruled your country, exercising God's will. Then one day, foreigners come to your country, remove Jesus Christ from office, call him a criminal, and tell you he's been lying to you your whole life.
I think most people would not take this turn of events lightly, assuming it really is what most of them believe.[/QUOTE]
Kind of like Japan post-WW2, the Emperor was worshipped as a deity. Except back then, methods of population control weren't as sophisticated.
[QUOTE=Valdor;44598267]Maybe you should take a look at WW1[/QUOTE]
Didn't that happen in WW1?
I hope I live to see the fall of the DPRK regime. I feel like it will happen some time in the distant future, in a way reminiscent of the fall of the Khmer Rouge.
[QUOTE=mac338;44598780]I hope I live to see the fall of the DPRK regime. I feel like it will happen some time in the distant future, in a way reminiscent of the fall of the Khmer Rouge.[/QUOTE]
It's already happening in slow motion.
The North Korean government is so inept at economic planning they more or less allowed an "unofficial" free market economy to develop, most of it legal because state repression is getting weaker (a ban on women wearing trousers was eventually lifted because most people ignored it) and "illegal" sources of money make up most peoples incomes now. Foreign media consumption is on a rise, and generally North Korean society is starting to move outwith the control of the government slowly.
It's somewhat similar to what happened in China a few decades ago.
Power of communist maths
[video=youtube;ujtp-70zQME]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujtp-70zQME[/video]
[QUOTE=Loofiloo;44598236]Even worse is that that's something really difficult to undo.
Like, suppose you spent your entire life believing that Jesus Christ walked the earth, and he ruled your country, exercising God's will. Then one day, foreigners come to your country, remove Jesus Christ from office, call him a criminal, and tell you he's been lying to you your whole life.
I think most people would not take this turn of events lightly, assuming it really is what most of them believe.[/QUOTE]
You just described every example of colonization that's ever happened. It has been done.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;44597680]Literally 1984[/QUOTE]
More like 1954
[QUOTE=Loofiloo;44598236]
I think most people would not take this turn of events lightly, assuming it really is what most of them believe.[/QUOTE]
Depends. It could just be a more extreme post-ww2 Japan scenario.
I just wish U.S or some other nation would do surgical strikes against these concentration camps.
[QUOTE=Loofiloo;44598236]Even worse is that that's something really difficult to undo.
Like, suppose you spent your entire life believing that Jesus Christ walked the earth, and he ruled your country, exercising God's will. Then one day, foreigners come to your country, remove Jesus Christ from office, call him a criminal, and tell you he's been lying to you your whole life.
I think most people would not take this turn of events lightly, assuming it really is what most of them believe.[/QUOTE]
Happened to Japan. North Korea would recover, eventually.
[QUOTE=The golden;44599027]The fact they operate death camps should be reason enough to consider foreign intervention.[/QUOTE]
Foreign intervention into a nuclear armed state probably wouldn't work out to well.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44599329]Foreign intervention into a nuclear armed state probably wouldn't work out to well.[/QUOTE]It would if we applied our two biggest assets: cruise missiles and superior air power.
I'm waiting for the day North Korea finally gets it's teeth kicked in, partly to prove my theories right and mostly to swoop in and seduce all of those North Korean babes.
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