• World's Oldest Beer Discovered
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Source: [URL]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/03/baltic.sea.beer/index.html?hpt=T2[/URL] [quote] First there was the discovery of dozens of bottles of 200-year-old champagne, but now salvage divers have recovered what they believe to be the world's oldest beer, taking advertisers' notion of 'drinkability' to another level. Though the effort to lift the reserve of champagne had just ended, researchers uncovered a small collection of bottled beer on Wednesday from the same shipwreck south of the autonomous Aland Islands in the Baltic Sea. "At the moment, we believe that these are by far the world's oldest bottles of beer," Rainer Juslin, permanent secretary of the island's ministry of education, science and culture, told CNN on Friday via telephone from Mariehamn, the capital of the Aland Islands. "It seems that we have not only salvaged the oldest champagne in the world, but also the oldest still drinkable beer. The culture in the beer is still living." Juslin said officials had talked to a local brewer about whether the new-found beer might be able to yield its recipe after experts decipher the brew's ingredients. The newest find came as divers unearthed bottles separate from the earlier champagne find. While lifting a few to the surface, one exploded from pressure. A dark fluid seeped from the broken bottle, which they realized was beer. All the cargo on the ship -- including the beer and champagne -- is believed to have been transported sometime between 1800 and 1830, according to Juslin. He said the wreck was about 50 meters deep (roughly 164 feet) in between the Aland island chain and Finland. The cargo was aboard a ship believed to be heading from Copenhagen, Denmark, to St Petersburg, Russia. It could have possibly been sent by France's King Louis XVI to the Russian Imperial Court. "Champagne of this kind was popular in high levels [of society] and was exclusive to rich groups -- it was not a drink for common people then," Juslin said. Experts estimated the exclusive bubbly to be worth tens of thousands of euros per bottle. The value of the beer has not been determined. It is also unknown whether the beer went flat while sitting at the bottom of the Baltic for such a long time. Some of the bottles of champagne were originally produced by Juglar, a premium champagne house no longer in existence, according to Juslin. He said the cold sea water was a perfect way to store the spirits, with the temperature remaining a near-constant 4-5 degrees Celsius (around freezing temperature in Fahrenheit, or 32 degrees) and no light to expedite the spoiling process. Investigators and historians have not yet unraveled the mystery surrounding the exact origin of the ship or the date when the ship went down. Juslin said other artifacts were still lying in the shipwreck, but it would take several months to lift them out of the wreck. The islands are at the entrance of the Gulf of Bothnia, in the Baltic Sea. They have Swedish-speaking people, though the island itself falls under Finnish protection. The Aland chain forms a Nordic archipelago of more than 6,000 skerries and islands. [/quote]Yum. Note the Fahrenheit to Celsius conversion error towards the end. Leave it to CNN to fuck up!
They weren't sure if the beer would've gone flat? really? I think it's pretty obvious it would be flat even if it were 1 year old.
[QUOTE=Penguiin;24567453]They weren't sure if the beer would've gone flat? really? I think it's pretty obvious it would be flat even if it were 1 year old.[/QUOTE] Beer wasn't always carbonated :downs:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24567478]Beer wasn't always carbonated :downs:[/QUOTE] Source?
Only in Finland [IMG]http://web.kauhava.fi/maenpaa/files/suomen-lippu-366px.jpg[/IMG]
Yarr. That be the crunkest ship in the seven seas.
I wonder how many brain cells would die when you drink it.
Would it's potency(?) increase with age? I don't know that much about alcohol.
[QUOTE=faze;24567495]Source?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water#History[/url] Carbonation has only been around since 1772. Beer has been around for thousands of years. You do the math.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24568083][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water#History[/url] Carbonation has only been around since 1772. Beer has been around for thousands of years. You do the math.[/QUOTE] Yeah but yeast creates CO2 as a result of the reactions, if the beer has been opened it won't have any bubbles, but if it's an air tight seal then it will have some CO2 unless the beer in question was created using an alternate method.
shit I thought it said bear :/
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24568083][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water#History[/URL] Carbonation has only been around since 1772. Beer has been around for thousands of years. You do the math.[/QUOTE] [editline]07:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24568083][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water#History[/URL] Carbonation has only been around since 1772. Beer has been around for thousands of years. You do the math.[/QUOTE] They don't add carbonated water, silly. The CO2 comes from the fermentation.
[QUOTE=psych0;24568299][editline]07:27PM[/editline] They don't add carbonated water, silly. The CO2 comes from the fermentation.[/QUOTE] This. [editline]02:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Olas;24567826]Would it's potency(?) increase with age? I don't know that much about alcohol.[/QUOTE] Not as much as wine or spirits, but yes.
Dare someone to drink it. They'll probably go on some sort of magical mystery tour of the mind.
wasnt there a thread on this already
It's Åland. How'd you like it if I called the USA the United States of Amerika
[QUOTE=ThePuska;24570492]It's Åland. How'd you like it if I called the USA the United States of Amerika[/QUOTE] English keyboards, bud. We don't have easy access to the same alternate characters that you do. Though frankly I wouldn't take offense to it.
Wasn't this already posted? I remember talking about something like this a few days ago.
Champagne =/= Beer. First is awesome, second is meh.
Fucking Ålanders tried to keep it a secret. >:C
they should drink some
[QUOTE=Olas;24567826]Would it's potency(?) increase with age? I don't know that much about alcohol.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=faze;24569341] Not as much as wine or spirits, but yes.[/QUOTE] What you mean by potency? No the alcohol by volume doesn't increase. There is no sugar left. Also as far as I know, regular beer doesn't get what we call "better" if you age it. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24568083][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonated_water#History[/url] Carbonation has only been around since 1772. Beer has been around for thousands of years. You do the math.[/QUOTE] Bottle fermentation.
That shit is probably 100% alcohol. Yes, I said it, 100%.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24615166]That shit is probably 100% alcohol. Yes, I said it, 100%.[/QUOTE] That would suck.
[QUOTE=JeffAndersen;24626251]That would suck.[/QUOTE] You would probably die.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;24570492]It's Åland. How'd you like it if I called the USA the United States of Amerika[/QUOTE] I'd mostly tell you that you spelled it wrong
"i didnt mean to" [IMG]http://imgur.com/kESfe.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://imgur.com/s0fxd.png[/IMG]"i didnt mean to" [IMG]http://imgur.com/kESfe.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://imgur.com/s0fxd.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=ThePuska;24570492]It's Åland. How'd you like it if I called the USA the United States of Amerika[/QUOTE] As a proud Inuit living in Nunavut, Canada I demand you spell the name of my province ᓄᓇᕗᑦ. If you don't have the proper fonts installed to read that you are a racist
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24567478]Beer wasn't always carbonated :downs:[/QUOTE] When yeast consumes sugar it creates carbon dioxide and alcohol. Beer isn't carboned after it's produced, Beer is naturally carbonated. You could flatten it, but if it's been in a closed container during the later fermentation process, then it's going to be carbonated. Not sure what all this talk of beer is about anyway, this is champagne, champagne and beer are not the same thing nor are they produced in the same way.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24632478]When yeast consumes sugar it creates carbon dioxide and alcohol. Beer isn't carboned after it's produced, Beer is naturally carbonated. You could flatten it, but if it's been in a closed container during the later fermentation process, then it's going to be carbonated. Not sure what all this talk of beer is about anyway, this is champagne, champagne and beer are not the same thing nor are they produced in the same way.[/QUOTE] no, the first discovery was champagne. the one the article is talking about is the second discovery, which is beer.
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