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[quote=ArsTechnica]Researchers have uncovered software available on the Internet designed to overload the struggling Healthcare.gov website with more traffic than it can handle."ObamaCare is an affront to the Constitutional rights of the people," a screenshot from the tool, which was acquired by researchers at Arbor Networks, declares. "We HAVE the right to CIVIL disobedience!"[/quote]
[URL="http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/new-denial-of-service-attack-aimed-directly-at-healthcare-gov/"]ArsTechnica[/URL]
Edit: I could have worded the title better. 'Designed to Target'
I am a brit so excuse my ignorance but isn't 'ObamaCare' just an american NHS, where tax money helps those who can't afford healthcare?
Seems silly to DDoS something that helps people.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799135]I am a brit so excuse my ignorance but isn't 'ObamaCare' just an american NHS, where tax money helps those who can't afford healthcare?
Seems silly to DDoS something that helps people.[/QUOTE]It's more of a health insurance reform. A baby step, but one that conservatives are determined be taken backwards.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799135]I am a brit so excuse my ignorance but isn't 'ObamaCare' just an american NHS, where tax money helps those who can't afford healthcare?
Seems silly to DDoS something that helps people.[/QUOTE]
Its kinda a half assed socialized health care, people who couldn't afford it original still can't. So instead they can apply for tax credits to pay for it. The people who could afford it keep their current coverage (as long as it has the right coverage). The shitty thing is, a lot of people who did have coverage/insurance have lost their current plans because they don't have the min-coverage.
So basically it is a remap of health insurance (which imo this bill did jack shit to fix anything).
[QUOTE=MR-X;42799195]Its kinda a half assed socialized health care, people who couldn't afford it original still can't. So instead they can apply for tax credits to pay for it. The people who could afford it keep their current coverage (as long as it has the right coverage). The shitty thing is, a lot of people who did have coverage/insurance have lost their current plans because they don't have the min-coverage.
So basically it is a remap of health insurance (which imo this bill did jack shit to fix anything).[/QUOTE]
Not exactly the fault of the original bill from what I understand. It's this piece of shit edited to please republicans that's the problem (again, from what I understand).
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799135]I am a brit so excuse my ignorance but isn't 'ObamaCare' just an american NHS, where tax money helps those who can't afford healthcare?
Seems silly to DDoS something that helps people.[/QUOTE]
In spirit, yes. In practice it's more just extending the requirement for everyone to buy car insurance to health insurance as well.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799135]I am a brit so excuse my ignorance but isn't 'ObamaCare' just an american NHS, where tax money helps those who can't afford healthcare?
Seems silly to DDoS something that helps people.[/QUOTE]
It isn't single payer like it is in the UK (I think you guys use a single payer system)
[QUOTE=toaster468;42799450]It isn't single payer like it is in the UK (I think you guys use a single payer system)[/QUOTE]
im not sure but i think everybody in the uk gets free health care
[QUOTE=toaster468;42799450]It isn't single payer like it is in the UK (I think you guys use a single payer system)[/QUOTE]
If you pay national insurance you pay for it, even if you don't want to.
I don't know shit about Obamacare but someone told me that people who can't afford it are now fined big money because they don't have insurance. Is this true?
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799481]If you pay national insurance you pay for it, even if you don't want to.[/QUOTE]
With the Affordable Care Act you still pay companies, but each state has a market for insurance companies to offer the best deals. So it isn't single payer because private companies are still paying the bill for their customers instead of a single government entity.
Is it me or are half the people trying to take down the care reforms the literal
"OBONGUS IS UH TURRIST COMMUNUST MOOSLIM" -type?
Don't get me wrong, these are the first steps to reform and they do not go very positive. But the reactions to it are downright idiotic sometimes, changes in the EU aren't positive either, and people can be uninformed and ignorant but they never generate this absurd kind of shit-fling backlash.
You can tell how out of touch whoever made this is, it's written in Delphi. I don't think Delphi has been available to buy since 2008.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;42799507]I don't know shit about Obamacare but someone told me that people who can't afford it are now fined big money because they don't have insurance. Is this true?[/QUOTE]
Whoever told you that is extremely biased. People only get fined if they do not get health insurance which is most commonly young adults who are in good health and they pay a $95 fine. But if you cannot afford healthcare and you want healthcare you get government subsidies. Also keep in mind what we have now, if you cannot afford healthcare, sure, you do not pay a bill for it, but when you really need it and you are now $100k in debt you are shit out of luck and you will probably die. With the ACA the government is trying to alleviate the stress on the lower class.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799135]I am a brit so excuse my ignorance but isn't 'ObamaCare' just an american NHS, where tax money helps those who can't afford healthcare?
Seems silly to DDoS something that helps people.[/QUOTE]
Rather than being like the NHS, they tried to work with the existing insurance companies. Unfortunately their profit boners aren't about to go down so ObamaCare hasn't been as great as it may have been if they attempted to properly socialise healthcare instead like the NHS afaik.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;42799669]The problem is they also introduced several new requirements for insurance plans, IE pediatric dentistry; the problem with that is, you HAVE to pay for that, even if you have no kids, even if you'll never have kids, you're still going to pay for ped. dentistry. Why? So the insurance company can get rid of it's lower costing plans and say "oh well it's the law, so buy a more expensive plan now"[/QUOTE]
lol...
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Will I be required to buy pediatric dental care if I purchase insurance on t he exchange?
Most likely, no. Children’s dental care may be included in some plans offered on the marketplaces. But many insurers may offer it as a stand-alone policy, which you are not required to buy under federal law, though people in some states are required to do so. Nevada and Washington state, for example, are requiring this coverage. The insurance will cover visits to a dentist for basic or preventive services, such teeth cleaning, X-rays and fillings, and medically necessary orthodontics.
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[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obamacare-and-kids-dental-vision-coverage/2013/10/14/1b0183e2-3108-11e3-8627-c5d7de0a046b_story.html[/url]
[quote]Must the dental EHB benefit be purchased?
Not within exchanges run by the federal government. A federal agency interpretation of the ACA has determined that within the exchange the dental EHB need only be offered. However, in the individual and small group markets outside the exchange, the dental EHB must be purchased. The ADA strongly disagrees with this interpretation, but at this time it appears that all exchanges run by the federal government will be operating within these parameters. On the other hand, states have the authority to mandate the purchase of the dental EHB. Few states have chosen to mandate purchase or are considering doing so.
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Is dental coverage required as of Jan. 1, 2014, under the ACA?
Yes, for children but not adults. After Jan. 1, 2014, all individual and small group market plans – both inside and outside the exchange – must be certified as "qualified health plans" except for stand-alone dental plans. QHPs must provide all "essential health benefits". Pediatric oral health services are included in the 10-category EHB package and must be offered.
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[url]http://www.ada.org/news/8935.aspx[/url]
That is up to the state not up to the companies.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799481]If you pay national insurance you pay for it, even if you don't want to.[/QUOTE]
That's not what single payer means. No shit it's funded by taxes, where else would the money come from?
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;42799834]Except it shouldn't even be up to the state, or the companies. Ideally if we can't have a single payer NHS, then we should have modular insurance plans, with their prices capped by the federal government. I shouldn't have to pay for things that i'll never use, and I should be able to update it on the fly, instead of waiting up to 3 months for coverage to take effect.[/QUOTE]
Who cares if it is capped or not, the free market will do that for us. And for the people who really cant afford dental service in their plans will get subsidized healthcare. You say "I shouldn't have to pay for the things I don't use", but what you really mean is "I wanted all of these services without paying". And that doesn't make sense because then you will be costing the companies or government money by switching your plans each time you get an illness to keep prices low for you. And if you really care about your health in the future you will just get a cheap plan that has everything then you wont have to wait 3 months for coverage.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;42799934]The free market works GREAT! if the other insurance companies are actually in competition and they aren't offering similar prices because they all tend to work together.. oh wait they are. and no, I'd rather not pay for something i'd NEVER use; like OB services, because i'm NEVER GOING TO NEED THAT COVERAGE.[/QUOTE]
Whether there will be fierce competition in the state exchanges is yet to be seen. But if one company has the ability to make loads of money by undercutting the competition they aren't going to buddy up with another company to keep the status quo. Also to touch upon the services you don't need: you are forgetting that women also don't need prostate exams and medication for men either, but if they pay their bills the company will have enough money to give [i]you[/i] medication and preventative measures that women don't need and vice versa.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42799135]I am a brit so excuse my ignorance but isn't 'ObamaCare' just an american NHS, where tax money helps those who can't afford healthcare?
Seems silly to DDoS something that helps people.[/QUOTE]
It's nowhere near perfect but hey, the NHS isn't. We're still using a basic system devised in 1945, but no one seems to want to come up with a sensible reform to help the millions more that use the service.
It's more about people not having to go bankrupt and into hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, just to bay for healthcare. It's a good step, and Obama certainly knew it would need fixing a lot, but the Republicans fought so hard against it, just getting the foundations is quite a victory.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;42800053]Except that's not how it works. I pay for insurance for the things I want, JUST in case i get sick. They pay for services through the fact that most of the time people aren't sick. Essentially you pay for insurance for that 1% of the time that you're actually ill enough to seek medical attention, which may happen once a month, or may happen once a year.[/QUOTE]
And it is obviously still worth it because up until now a majority of people who could afford it [i]have[/i] bought healthcare.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;42800112]Maybe more people could afford it if they could pick and chose services that they wanted as opposed to having to pick from 4-5 premade plans.[/QUOTE]
There wont be just 4-5 options because there is a free market and if there is a demand for cheap plans with bare bones dental protection then people will buy that one. With a single payer system, something you implicitly advocated, this would happen because there would be no competition on the consumer side.
Written in Borland delphi, how cute.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;42799507]I don't know shit about Obamacare but someone told me that people who can't afford it are now fined big money because they don't have insurance. Is this true?[/QUOTE]
as far as i can tell, you just lose it from your tax return
Honestly, it's an improvement over what they had before and anything better would just be blocked by Republicans.
The point is it's a foundation for an even better system in the future, whenever Republicans stop being dicks.
"We have a right to CIVIL disobedience!"
So let's DoS a website! That's totally not a criminal offence under most computer misuse laws!
DoSing a government website.
Sounds like a smart idea.
/sarcasm
[QUOTE=hexpunK;42800544]"We have a right to CIVIL disobedience!"
So let's DoS a website! That's totally not a criminal offence under most computer misuse laws![/QUOTE]
I was going to say, doesn't the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act make DOS'ing a felony? It makes practically everything else one, can't imagine DDOS'ing a government website is going to be treated kindly.
It continuously opens pages? After the first one wouldn't this be as effective as pinging the site repeatedly since everything's in cache already
It takes a serious conservative to make a DDOS tool that's less effective than LOIC
[QUOTE=latin_geek;42800840]It continuously opens pages? After the first one wouldn't this be as effective as pinging the site repeatedly since everything's in cache already
It takes a serious conservative to make a DDOS tool that's less effective than LOIC[/QUOTE]
Not if you don't keep the cache and ask for a complete copy every time, assuming there aren't any intermediate cache servers in your ISP or whatnot. And it's trivial to do that if you're writing a custom tool.
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