Yeah this illustrates quite nicely why established automakers need to provide proper competition for Tesla in its class. Tesla did a good job carving the way for BEVs, but at the end of the day they're still very new to the general carmaking scene. They also seem to be sitting on the wrong side of the right to repair fence with that hood popping bullshit and general stories of people not being able to cheaply repair their own Teslas for one reason or another.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/zcmm06d.jpg[/img]
Is there any reason the trunk door opens so far up on such a small opening? I don't think I've seen a trunk go that far on a sedan outside of hatchbacks before.
[QUOTE=Drury;53113052]Yeah this illustrates quite nicely why established automakers need to provide proper competition for Tesla in its class. Tesla did a good job carving the way for BEVs, but at the end of the day they're still very new to the general carmaking scene. They also seem to be sitting on the wrong side of the right to repair fence with that hood popping bullshit and general stories of people not being able to cheaply repair their own Teslas for one reason or another.[/QUOTE]
Either that, or why Tesla needs to recruit more QA and assembly staff from automotive companies, which is something that's also perfectly acceptable. I mean, those panel gaps are hideous, that should not be a thing for a car that costs this much. Not to mention that in another video I was watching recently about urging people not to go out and buy salvage Teslas, it turns out that the glue used to hold the plastic to the floor lining protecting the battery packs still is hit or miss in terms of whether it prevents moisture entering it. That's a bad no-no as well. See the bit at 5:28.
[video=youtube_share;UY-J7W5laM0]http://youtu.be/UY-J7W5laM0?t=328[/video]
Not to mention just another video from today where (although highlighting the point about JRL's spotty electronics) demonstrates exactly why having all touch-screen everything in the place of mechanical buttons is a bad thing. See that bit at 12:24:
[video=youtube_share;S6YYun90S8g]http://youtu.be/S6YYun90S8g?t=744[/video]
This is a fucking brand new car costing 80K bucks. This kind of shit should not be happening.
[QUOTE=The freeman;53113323][img]https://i.imgur.com/zcmm06d.jpg[/img]
Is there any reason the trunk door opens so far up on such a small opening? I don't think I've seen a trunk go that far on a sedan outside of hatchbacks before.[/QUOTE]
It's probably so you can see out the rear window with the trunk up if you're carrying long items and can't close the trunk.
[editline]6th February 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=snookypookums;53113464]
This is a fucking brand new car costing 80K bucks. This kind of shit should not be happening.[/QUOTE]
It's hardly surprising from that company; Land Rovers roll out of the factory and experience [I]major[/I] breakdowns within <10000 miles and yet people keep buying the damn things.
[QUOTE=Saber15;53113480]It's probably so you can see out the rear window with the trunk up if you're carrying long items and can't close the trunk.
[editline]6th February 2018[/editline]
It's hardly surprising from that company; Land Rovers roll out of the factory and experience [I]major[/I] breakdowns within <10000 miles and yet people keep buying the damn things.[/QUOTE]
My aunt had two (A Range Rover Sport and an Evoque). Only the Evoque still lives, the other one kept dying all the time and my uncle finally just got rid of it as quickly as he could. Despite my best efforts, they went to a Mercedes SUV after that. I mean, they're both very well off so they can easily afford it, but yeah. :disappoint:
[QUOTE=Drury;53113052]Yeah this illustrates quite nicely why established automakers need to provide proper competition for Tesla in its class. Tesla did a good job carving the way for BEVs, but at the end of the day they're still very new to the general carmaking scene. They also seem to be sitting on the wrong side of the right to repair fence with that hood popping bullshit and general stories of people not being able to cheaply repair their own Teslas for one reason or another.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://seekingalpha.com/article/4141909-5-new-tesla-competitors-arriving-next-12-months"]They are getting competition from established automakers very soon.[/URL]
"Jaguar i-Pace, Nissan LEAF 230-mile range version, Hyundai Kona EV, Kia Niro EV and Audi eTron."
[QUOTE=Fayez;53113670][URL="https://seekingalpha.com/article/4141909-5-new-tesla-competitors-arriving-next-12-months"]They are getting competition from established automakers very soon.[/URL]
"Jaguar i-Pace, Nissan LEAF 230-mile range version, Hyundai Kona EV, Kia Niro EV and Audi eTron."[/QUOTE]
Which is only a good thing.
If you had to pick a single reason that Tesla hasn't flopped it would be because their EVs have range and decent styling. Everything else about them, reliability, interior quality, ease of repair, pricing, etc, sucks. They will either improve, or be a dead company once the Japanese manufacturers start large scale production of long range economy class EVs, and the Germans squeeze them from the top.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;53113871]Which is only a good thing.
If you had to pick a single reason that Tesla hasn't flopped it would be because their EVs have range and decent styling. Everything else about them, reliability, interior quality, ease of repair, pricing, etc, sucks. They will either improve, or be a dead company once the Japanese manufacturers start large scale production of long range economy class EVs, and the Germans squeeze them from the top.[/QUOTE]
True - unless they get their assembly line sorted (and I'm not talking about what they [I]say[/I] they're going to do, actual results demonstrated by meeting production targets), the moment other companies step into this space with a competing offering, Tesla is going to get hammered, especially since their battle against the dealership networks that these competitors use hasn't gone anywhere and some of them have got a good half-century's worth of experience under their belt to get the job done.
Their best bet at this point from what I can see, is to actively poach top talent from car manufacturers to get this done. Even if someone was dropping in the neighborhood of dropping 35k and above on a car, having mistakes like this on a car [I]that expensive[/I], on what is basically losing its value the moment you drive it off the lot is unacceptable. Shit like this is what got Kia a name and reputation which it's been trying desperately to shake.
[QUOTE=The freeman;53113323][img]https://i.imgur.com/zcmm06d.jpg[/img]
Is there any reason the trunk door opens so far up on such a small opening? I don't think I've seen a trunk go that far on a sedan outside of hatchbacks before.[/QUOTE]
I think it's so you don't have to bend over to put stuff in there
[QUOTE=snookypookums;53113926]Shit like this is what got Kia a name and reputation which it's been trying desperately to shake.[/QUOTE]
Which is kind of funny, because KIA recently released a luxury sedan, and by most accounts it's actually really damn good bang per dollar.
[QUOTE=Fayez;53113670][URL="https://seekingalpha.com/article/4141909-5-new-tesla-competitors-arriving-next-12-months"]They are getting competition from established automakers very soon.[/URL]
"Jaguar i-Pace, Nissan LEAF 230-mile range version, Hyundai Kona EV, Kia Niro EV and Audi eTron."[/QUOTE]
Why does everyone always overlook the supercharger network? Seriously, it's just as important as the cars. Let's say Nissan makes a 600 mile EV. Cool. I drive it 600 miles. Then what? Even if I manage to manually stitch together a route that utilizes chargers from other networks, they charge at a fraction of the speed. Sure there's CHAdeMO which is faster than the other offerings, but in the US they're few and far between. No other auto maker is even close to Tesla all things considered imo.
[QUOTE=Supacasey;53114340]Why does everyone always overlook the supercharger network? Seriously, it's just as important as the cars. Let's say Nissan makes a 600 mile EV. Cool. I drive it 600 miles. Then what? Even if I manage to manually stitch together a route that utilizes chargers from other networks, they charge at a fraction of the speed. Sure there's CHAdeMO which is faster than the other offerings, but in the US they're few and far between. No other auto maker is even close to Tesla all things considered imo.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the Supercharger network is probably Tesla's best asset. Germany is trying to force them to open it to everyone though, Tesla aren't allowed to build anymore superchargers in Germany until they add CCS adapters. I think they probably should open it, but charge a high premium for other manufacturers to use it.
Some of the Model 3s have some quirky build quality, but I expect we will see that improve in short order. Also seeking alpha, lol. They are trying to say the new Leaf has 230 mile range? It's got 151 and 120 if you do 70 mph in the summer.
[editline]7th February 2018[/editline]
The hood being more difficult to pop is because of [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1552183"]people freaking out about it on the Model S/X[/URL].
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53114564]Yeah no germany’s Policy should be the standard and it ought to be standardized rate across the board. Elon musk shouldn’t get a pass on anti consumer and anti competitive practices, and that includes his mistreatment and abuse of his worker to satisfy quotas he has no business setting.
If everyone’s going to drive BEVs we need infrastructure that’s accessible by all, no console wars bullshit. Gas is gas, electricity is electricity. If Toyota and VW announced that they each bought 1/3rd of the gas stations in the world and would disallow other makes to use them or a fill up at an extortionate rate. They would get sued into the ground.
Honestly the cult of personality around Musk is worrying, considering the shady stuff Tesla pulls already, and the fact that there will be no doubt local governments dumb enough to fall for their anti competitive lock in scheme they tried in Germany
“It would be sooooo convenient if the only BEVs that would be practical to use would be ours :^)” -Elon[/QUOTE]
Tesla has offered to let any other manufacturers use the network, if they contribute towards the cost. To the vast majority of Tesla owners it is "free" as the costs are included with the car. To the few that don't get it free, it costs very little and they do get some free every year.
I don't see why Tesla should be forbidden from doing that? The network was built by Tesla, and funded by people buying the cars. I agree others should be able to use the network, but not that they shouldn't be charged a premium for doing so, especially since making the network work with other cars would require more infrastructure on Tesla's side.
[editline]7th February 2018[/editline]
I drive a Leaf, I would love to use the supercharger network as it is simply the best rapid charger network around right now. I would expect to pay more to do so though.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;53113464]Not to mention just another video from today where (although highlighting the point about JRL's spotty electronics) demonstrates exactly why having all touch-screen everything in the place of mechanical buttons is a bad thing. See that bit at 12:24:
[video=youtube_share;S6YYun90S8g]http://youtu.be/S6YYun90S8g?t=744[/video]
This is a fucking brand new car costing 80K bucks. This kind of shit should not be happening.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand how anybody thinks it's a good idea to give a driver non-tactile touchscreen controls, how the fuck is it safe if you have to look away from the road to adjust settings? How is something like that even legal?
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;53114294]Which is kind of funny, because KIA recently released a luxury sedan, and by most accounts it's actually really damn good bang per dollar.[/QUOTE]
Coincidentally, this is because of two key things:
A)They've taken a wait and watch approach to joint tech developments with Hyundai. Earlier, the case was that Hyundai and KIA would work on something together, then both would rush it to market and then all its kinks would show up and Hyundai (with its slightly better implementation) would get a slightly less pounding for it compared to KIA (which is still sort of paying the price in NA for doing a half assed launch). Now, however, at the cost of letting Hyundai get the first to market asvantage, KIA just watches all the inevitable bugs roll in, fix it on their cars and then deploy. Which is why Hyundai's been slipping on the reliability scores lately as a trend and KIA's been climbing.
B) They've gone to great lengths to poach top talent from other companies, with the most notable coup for them being Biermann, the former key member of the BMW M Division. This also explains why the Stinger seems more polished than it should be for a KIA product. :v: It was literally a fuck you to BMW.
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;53114625]I don't understand how anybody thinks it's a good idea to give a driver non-tactile touchscreen controls, how the fuck is it safe if you have to look away from the road to adjust settings? How is something like that even legal?[/QUOTE]
If you are in a situation where you cant look away from the road for a second, then you should not adjust something - physical buttons or not.
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