• Angela Merkel speaks out against net neutrality
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[quote] Chancellor Angela Merkel is calling for preferential services for certain providers on the web at her keynote speech at a conference in Berlin on Thursday. Merkel said that some key services for the digital economy would require reliable transmission quality and should therefore be treated differently than other data. At the Vodafone-hosted Digitising Europe conference in Berlin, she called for a splitting of services, "one for free internet, and the other for special services", adding that it was up to Brussels to negotiate how it would work. "An innovation-friendly internet means that there is a guaranteed reliability for special services," she said. "These can only develop when predictable quality standards are available". Merkel added that these special services would run over existing internet infrastructure. [/quote] [URL]http://www.thelocal.de/20141204/merkel-speaks-out-against-net-neutrality[/URL] [url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/6/7345219/angela-merkel-argues-against-net-neutrality-calls-for-special-access[/url]
no angela, no.
She has no idea what she's talking about.
Merkel confirmed for marionette controlled by the Lommynazis. But seriously, this is a legitimate problem. If more people in power throughout the EU speak out against net neutrality we can kiss freedom on the Internet bye-bye.
She has no idea what the difference between quality of service (QoS) and net neutrality is.
[QUOTE]"one for free internet, and the other for special services",[/QUOTE] except you fucking get those "Special services" anyways literally the entire point of killing net neutrality is to cut plans into parts, call them "Special services" but really, they're disconnecting you from things outside of the package you pay for. You know stuff you would get [B]ANYWAYS[/B] with "Free internet" [QUOTE]"An innovation-friendly internet means that there is a guaranteed reliability for special services," [/QUOTE] did someone pay this crazy bitch to say this? [QUOTE]"These can only develop when predictable quality standards are available".[/QUOTE] they already existed this person very clearly has never even used the internet. Does she even know the difference between Mac and Windows?
Free market will fix it.
If you want truly secure and with-quality-guarantee service then run it on separate infrastructure because a normal net DoS can still fuck it over unless it's separate.
Merkel confirmed she is planning on making fourth reich.
[QUOTE=J!NX;46677147]this person very clearly has never even used the internet. Does she even know the difference between Mac and Windows?[/QUOTE] Angela Merkel famously stated half a year ago that "the internet is new ground for us all".
Angela is going batshit. What next? Operation Barbarossa?
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46677244]Angela is going batshit. What next? Operation Barbarossa?[/QUOTE] Don't worry, we just give them the sudentland and everything will be fine.
Didn't the EU vote in favour of Net neutrality? It'd be strange if the German leader goes against the EU.
I haven't heard a single valid point against net neutrality to be honest. It always comes down to making ISP's money.
I wouldn't get up all in arms about this right away. Perhaps she had in mind that organizations like the Police, the Firefighters and the Health and Medicine infrastructure somehow should get privileges? That'd made sense to me. I mean she literally said she's for both but it's to the higher ups to decide it.
[QUOTE=Buck.;46677537]I haven't heard a single valid point against net neutrality to be honest. It always comes down to making ISP's money.[/QUOTE] It's acceptable if done right, however "doing it right" involves less profits for the ISPs and we all know how profit and corporations go along
[QUOTE=Buck.;46677537]I haven't heard a single valid point against net neutrality to be honest. It always comes down to making ISP's money.[/QUOTE] The strongest arguments for net neutrality is basic freedom of enterprise. Most large ISPs have private owners. They either did a lot of work or spent a lot of money acquiring their business. What gives you the right to decide how they run it? What's comfortable and convenient for you personally isn't always what's morally right.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;46677785]The strongest arguments for net neutrality is basic freedom of enterprise. Most large ISPs have private owners. They either did a lot of work or spent a lot of money acquiring their business. What gives you the right to decide how they run it? What's comfortable and convenient for you personally isn't always what's morally right.[/QUOTE] They are providing a service. The customer is king, always. If you start to shaft them they'll just switch
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46677931]They are providing a service. The customer is king, always. If you start to shaft them they'll just switch[/QUOTE] Doesn't help that all large name isps basically have a cartel
Anything related to the Internet and entertainment the German government seems to get completely wrong. [QUOTE=MoonlessNight;46677785]The strongest arguments for net neutrality is basic freedom of enterprise. Most large ISPs have private owners. They either did a lot of work or spent a lot of money acquiring their business. What gives you the right to decide how they run it? What's comfortable and convenient for you personally isn't always what's morally right.[/QUOTE] A completely free market leads to the little guy getting fucked over. You cannot seriously trust ISPs, companies who are well known to follow anti consumer practices, to be responsible enough to be trusted with this. And besides that, when a person pays their Internet bill, they pay for a tube to send stuff through, they should be able to receive whatever they want through that tube at maximum capacity. (unless it's something illegal, like cp)
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46678032]Anything related to the Internet and entertainment the German government seems to get completely wrong.[/QUOTE] Just the German government?
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46677931]They are providing a service. The customer is king, always. If you start to shaft them they'll just switch[/QUOTE] What do you do when there's nothing to switch to where you either have regional monopoly or all choices are equally shit? Consumer is not king at all. Consumer is at mercy of anti-trust.
[QUOTE=Angua;46678036]Just the German government?[/QUOTE] They're much worse than others in regards to the Internet from what I know. [QUOTE=itisjuly;46678063]What do you do when there's nothing to switch to where you either have regional monopoly or all choices are equally shit? Consumer is not king at all. Consumer is at mercy of anti-trust.[/QUOTE] Divorced family, so I live in two houses. At each house we have only one choice. If there was a lot more competition I might not be as supportive of government intervention, but there isn't. Even in places I've lived where there was choice we only had two. And I know for sure I'm not unique.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46677931]They are providing a service. The customer is king, always. If you start to shaft them they'll just switch[/QUOTE] Okay, so then there's no need to regulate it by law.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;46678006]Doesn't help that all large name isps basically have a cartel[/QUOTE] they are beautiful and strong, who are you to judge them like that
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46677931]They are providing a service. The customer is king, always. If you start to shaft them they'll just switch[/QUOTE] Most people can't switch, most ISPs have a non-aggression pact where they just let each other control swaths of cabling like some kind of organized crime.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;46678073]Okay, so then there's no need to regulate it by law.[/QUOTE] i know what youre saying, but unfortunately there is a huge barrier to entry for ISPs, you need to regulate it to prevent anti-competitive behaviour.
[QUOTE=Reshy;46678084]Most people can't switch, most ISPs have a non-aggression pact where they just let each other control swaths of cabling like some kind of organized crime.[/QUOTE] Well I for one have access to several ISPs over mobile broadband. Maybe you should move. Or just deal with it.
Always scary when someone charge has no clue what they're talking about and influencing - or even wants to spread misinformation on purpose. There's quite a few politicians that lost their idealism along the steep career climb and now, disillusioned, try to use their position to score well with the industry. Politics isn't exactly the most stable job if you think about how much influence stuff like votes and term length restrictions can have on your position, so switching to a "manager" position in the industry tends to be the more stable source of income/pension if you have to think ahead for yourself or your family. Tho of course just her being uneducated on the topic is pretty scary as well. Names and quotes always carry weight.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;46678125]Well I for one have access to several ISPs over mobile broadband. Maybe you should move. Or just deal with it.[/QUOTE] Or maybe the government should step in and either destroy the ISPs' monopolies, or regulate them.
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