• US hands internet control to ICANN
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[QUOTE]It's a move being breathlessly described by some as the US "giving up the internet" to the likes of China, Russia and the Middle East.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On Friday, a judge in Texas refused to grant an injunction requested by four Republican state attorneys-general to bar the move. That followed the end of an attempted Congressional rebellion, led by senator Ted Cruz. The last vestige of US control lay until this weekend in its power over the internet’s naming and addressing system. Though largely technical in nature, this theoretically gave Washington the power to make entire countries “go dark” on the internet by removing them from the central naming system — though such a drastic action was considered self-defeating since it would have led to the immediate fragmentation of the internet.[/QUOTE] Havent seen anyone post about this on SH so here you go. Gotta love obongo [URL="https://www.ft.com/content/66291afc-87f8-11e6-8cb7-e7ada1d123b1"]https://www.ft.com/content/66291afc-87f8-11e6-8cb7-e7ada1d123b1[/URL] [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37527719"]http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37527719[/URL] [URL="https://www.cnet.com/au/news/us-internet-control-ted-cruz-free-speech-russia-china-internet-corporation-assigned-names-numbers/"]https://www.cnet.com/au/news/us-internet-control-ted-cruz-free-speech-russia-china-internet-corporation-assigned-names-numbers/[/URL] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - Bradyns))[/highlight]
Nice, that's definitely the way it should be.
Cool!
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51144897]Havent seen anyone post about this on SH so here you go. Gotta love obongo [/QUOTE] Why is this bad?
[QUOTE]this theoretically gave Washington the power to make entire countries “go dark” on the internet by removing them from the central naming system[/QUOTE] uhh not really
I recently had to calm down a friend who was panicking about this. Once I explained the why and how of this and how ICANN and IANA works, and just how distributed the internet is...he calmed down a bit. Research is always better than panic. Apparently he had no idea what exactly the UN was or even how DNS works and the duties of ICANN and IANA.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;51144948]Why is this bad?[/QUOTE] Because that means America don't have "total" control over the internet, and that is bad cuz they don't get to control the flow of information. [sp]Which is a good thing for the rest of the world![/sp]
[QUOTE]Opponents of the plan, the likes of which include presidential candidate Donald Trump and his former rival Ted Cruz, say giving up the power amounts to handing it over to countries like China and Russia.[/QUOTE] what the fuck, so it's perfectly fine if the US alone controls it?
[QUOTE=Xyrec;51145292]what the fuck, so it's perfectly fine if the US alone controls it?[/QUOTE] Because Communism, dat's bad. The best thing is if no one has control over it, but that'll never happen.
Does this mean that foreign country's schools can get .edu domains now?
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51144962]uhh not really[/QUOTE] Well they could remove a gTLD from the root DNS file, and that could stuff it up. I mean its not really going dark but it would cause massive disruptions. [editline]3rd October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=proboardslol;51145337]Does this mean that foreign country's schools can get .edu domains now?[/QUOTE] I thought foreign academic institutions have been able to get .edu for quite a while, but I just looked it up, it's US only apparently. Which is odd, because my Australian University is .edu.
[QUOTE=EskillV2;51145302]Because Communism, dat's bad. The best thing is if no one has control over it, but that'll never happen.[/QUOTE] Well communism is kinda bad though. There's a reason the USSR didn't last.
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51145374]Well communism is kinda bad though. There's a reason the USSR didn't last.[/QUOTE] he was being sarcastic about why people think it's bad
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51145352] I thought foreign academic institutions have been able to get .edu for quite a while, but I just looked it up, it's US only apparently. Which is odd, because my Australian University is .edu.[/QUOTE] Turns out my University is one of a very few non-US unis accredited in the US targeting US students, which is how they got their mits on .edu (US only) domains: [url]http://www.obhe.ac.uk/documents/2005/Articles/Four_Australian_universities_obtain_US_accreditation_to_market_their_programmes_in_the_US[/url]
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[QUOTE=Evanstr;51144897] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - Bradyns))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Um... did I miss something? [editline]e[/editline] Oh nevermind, just read the RC thread.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;51145352] I thought foreign academic institutions have been able to get .edu for quite a while, but I just looked it up, it's US only apparently. Which is odd, because my Australian University is .edu.[/QUOTE] Foreign academic institutions got grandfathered into the system if they had registered before October 29, 2001. So that means you can see some countries who magically have said top-domain at the end. In my country NTNU has it. [URL="http://www.ntnu.edu/"]http://www.ntnu.edu/[/URL]
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Uh... good?
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;51145374]Well communism is kinda bad though. There's a reason the USSR didn't last.[/QUOTE] china is capitalistic country just funny thing that main leading party has communistic name
[QUOTE=Fourier;51146931]china is capitalistic country just funny thing that main leading party has communistic name[/QUOTE] But the thing is, Chine has a hard-on for censorship.
[QUOTE=EskillV2;51147013]But the thing is, Chine has a hard-on for censorship.[/QUOTE] Just like many other capitalist countries have
[QUOTE=EskillV2;51147013]But the thing is, Chine has a hard-on for censorship.[/QUOTE] So do fp mods [url=http://fuckingComeAtMeBDA.com][/url]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51147046]Just like many other capitalist countries have[/QUOTE] Anyone in power has vested interest in culling free speech to some extent, but don't compare China's, Russia's, or NK's censorship to that of the US, Sweden, or France.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;51147100]Anyone in power has vested interest in culling free speech to some extent, but don't compare China's, Russia's, or NK's censorship to that of the US, Sweden, or France.[/QUOTE] Even the US doesn't compare with certain places in Europe, where saying certain mean things to certain people could get you in hot water. The US only cares if you're actively inciting violence or otherwise threatening the peace, and even then it's only enforced if the authorities believe the threat is legitimate and imminent. [editline]3rd October 2016[/editline] Most US censorship is done by private companies, like Twitter banning users or Facebook deleting posts.
can someone explain what ICANN is exactly? I googled it but I'm not entirely sure. I've only had one run in with it and that is when a friend, who is a domain owner, was contacted them to reveal personal information about himself and who he is etc ... as it was hidden on the sites WHOIS for legitimate and reasonable reasons. He didn't know who they were at the time so he just said no. Not a problem right? wrong. they took his site down and completely erased it. gone, deleted. I don't really know who they are but I assume they are some sort of internet super power, which is a bit scary if true, considering what happened. Can someone explain?
[QUOTE=Lurklet;51154953]can someone explain what ICANN is exactly? I googled it but I'm not entirely sure. I've only had one run in with it and that is when a friend, who is a domain owner, was contacted them to reveal personal information about himself and who he is etc ... as it was hidden on the sites WHOIS for legitimate and reasonable reasons. He didn't know who they were at the time so he just said no. Not a problem right? wrong. they took his site down and completely erased it. gone, deleted. I don't really know who they are but I assume they are some sort of internet super power, which is a bit scary if true, considering what happened. Can someone explain?[/QUOTE] ICANN manages virtually all things DNS. They are the ones who create new top-level domains and typically assign other companies certain top-level domains to manage on their behalf, like Educause (.edu) or Internet Computer Bureau (.io). They also have IANA who maintains the a-m.root-server.net servers for DNS querying. Plus a host of other things but they are primarily focused on DNS. They are a non-profit organization based in the U.S. who make a lot of their money by creating and then auctioning off domains to the highest bidder e.g. Google won their bid for the .chrome domain. As for your friend, take a look at this: [url]https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/non-response-2014-01-29-en[/url]. Simply put, ICANN requires domain owners to supply and maintain accurate information about them. And should they fail to fulfill those requirements, they at the very least suspend your domain. A website without a DNS record might as well not exist hence the website disappearing.
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