[I]Before i start my discussion i want to point out that the English language is not my first one, even though i have been studying it for a long, long time, i'm not the best person with words, i won't be able to make this thread sound anymore sophisticated, but only using simple words, sometimes a couple or two sophisticated ones. Please bare with me if i don't make sense in some cases.[/I]
This is going to be a long discussion so if you're not up to reading all this i'd suggest you go view another thread, but this will be interesting so stay here :)
I really feel like i need to discuss this with people here on facepunch, who most of them tend to be atheists.
I am a christian and i do believe in god. Things that I don't believe, in [I][false][/I]Christianity are:
[B]1.Heaven and hell
2.Afterlife
3.Churches and Priests (they are mugs, i'll give you and example later bare with me)
4.miracles don't happen anymore, the word miracle stands for something that can't be currently explained until further knowledge is acquired. [/B]
and if i'll remember anything else i'll put it down.
Now, I might sound like some weirdo for saying all of the above and still believing in god/being a christian.
Even so, i still believe in god and i have knowledge in the bible and for 1 thing I'm really confident is that, Science and Religion [B]CAN/SHOULD/MUST[/B] exist together.
Now to the point where people here believe in the big bang theory and Darwin's theory, i have some questions and some facts to tell.[I] And by the way... if you can prove it to me that god doesn't exist by justifying your facts , i will immediately become an atheist, but know this... my faith is strong.[/I]
1.How is it possible that millions and millions of years ago, out of [B]nothing[/B]... something happened and created everything that exists today. I do have some knowledge in evolution so bring on the facts i know some of them.
2.Why do you believe that 1 man, that wrote a [I]theory[/I] in his lifetime, of how we came to exist is true and don't believe in the bible which has been written by many people and some of them never knew each other in reality, because they lived centuries in difference and they all talked about one thing. [I]again, i know 1 reason, it's because you were never provided with actual knowledge of the bible, but you were told that:[B]"this is this and this is that, now believe in it"[/B], that is wrong. it should've been taught properly, but then again priests in churches know nothing, but care all about money[/I].
3.why doesn't evolution exist in [B]nature[/B] (not a lab), nowadays? You'll tell me: "well the climate, weather condition and all other facts that affect evolution can't be seen today." (or maybe something like that) . Okay, so i guess our earth was much different millions of years ago, but why did evolution stop? i mean there are animal habitats on earth currently that are wiped out by our human society for many purposes, and the animals that live in those habitats, extinct. Why don't those animals, adapt to their new surroundings, which are affected by humans?
4.why don't monkeys evolve anymore?
(a point)5. If i take pieces of a broken, or disassembled clock and take a bomb/dynamite and throw them into a safe to explode, However many times I'll do that and i'll open the safe, all i will see is more broken pieces.
The way nature is, is that if you leave something in nature(whatever it is, animal object plant etc.) in its different habitat, it won't adapt... it will die. try for your self.
Explain to me also how, our magnificent earth came to be so precisely made for our existence, was created by accident?
isn't it enough evidence what you see around you, was created by god? sometimes you need faith to believe in god. They way you have the same kind of faith, that makes you believe that air exists. You can't see air, but you can feel it through it's effects.
And those micro organisms that evolve, they are all under lab conditions, how you can say that we began like that? i certainly don't want to believe i came from an ape.
Humans were not created to rule over each other, you can take a practical example of many fine governments nowadays. That is true and always will be.
More points and facts will be added later on.
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[quote]1.How is it possible that millions and millions of years ago, out of nothing... something happened and created everything that exists today. I do have some knowledge in evolution so bring on the facts i know some of them.[/quote]
From what I understand of quantum physics, in a vacuum, particles can sometimes pop into existence from nothing. Assuming that's true, it's only a matter of time until a big bang occurs. Time is meaningless before the big bang, it could have taken trillions upon trillions of years, it could have taken a day, it doesn't matter since if the probability is above 0, it will eventually happen given enough time.
Assuming this is not true, it still doesn't matter. Scientists don't actually claim to know how exactly the big bang occured, they simply know that it did occur. I don't have to know why the tides go in and out to understand that the tides go in and out. Your argument is akin to denying the tides because you don't know how gravity works.
[quote]2.Why do you believe that 1 man, that wrote a theory in his lifetime, of how we came to exist is true and don't believe in the bible which has been written by many people and some of them never knew each other in reality, because they lived centuries in difference and they all talked about one thing. again, i know 1 reason, it's because you were never provided with actual knowledge of the bible, but you were told that:"this is this and this is that, now believe in it", that is wrong. it should've been taught properly, but then again priests in churches know nothing, but care all about money.[/quote]
Because the theory is supported by actual evidence, and is supported by thousands of scientists. If the things that the bible asserts were true, we would be able to recreate them in a laboratory.
[quote]3.why doesn't evolution exist in nature (not a lab), nowadays? You'll tell me: "well the climate, weather condition and all other facts that affect evolution can't be seen today." (or maybe something like that) . Okay, so i guess our earth was much different millions of years ago, but why did evolution stop? i mean there are animal habitats on earth currently that are wiped out by our human society for many purposes, and the animals that live in those habitats, extinct. Why don't those animals, adapt to their new surroundings, which are affected by humans?
4.why don't monkeys evolve anymore?[/quote]
We do see it. You ever use a flu vaccine? Guess what, that's because the flu virus evolves every year.
You ever hear of the peppered moth? [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth[/URL] Read about it and you will see some animals have indeed adapted and evolved to benefit from human development. Rats and pigeons are also examples of animals that have evolved and adapted.
Most animals don't evolve fast enough to actually adapt to rapid changes in their environment. We not only see this with human activity, but we see it with asteroids, rapid climate change, and other natural disasters that can cause mass extinctions.
[quote]4.why don't monkeys evolve anymore?[/quote]
They do, they just haven't followed the same path we did. They found their own niche and benefit from their own adaptions. If it becomes advantageous for them to evolve intelligence like ours, they may very well. If it isn't advantageous, then they won't.
[quote]The way nature is, is that if you leave something in nature(whatever it is, animal object plant etc.) in its different habitat, it won't adapt... it will die. try for your self.[/quote]
That's true. However, if you put a large group(a population) into a habitat that is not radically different, you will begin to see noticeable adaptation in a few generations. In fact, we have seen this happen before. It's actually one of the first steps in speciation.
1. Quantum mechanics
2. That's not how it works. "Some" guy writes a hypothesis. This hypothesis makes predictions of some sorts. These predictions are then tested. If it works, great, test again and again and again. If the predictions still hold up, you can call it a theory (this is of course simplified).
3. Evolution still happens. You have to remind yourself that evolution is a slow process, not an instantenious event.
4. See point 3 for that.
5. Dynamite isn't used to fix things, nor is a clock a natural thing. What point are you trying to make?
Also:
[quote]i certainly don't want to believe i came from an ape.[/quote]
This explains a lot. You don't want to believe you might have evolved from an ape, so you refuse to believe it. That's not how truth works though. The tides will go in and out no matter how convenient it is for you, the world will remain round no matter how badly you might want it to be flat.
Truth isn't always convenient, and it isn't always necessarily pretty. Truth simply is.
I was under the impression that the universe didn't pop up from anything because there was no space before the universe.
I also feel the miller-urey experiment is of relevance here
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment[/url]
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