• Israel Lobbyist suggests False Flag attack to force the U.S. into a war with Iran
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[URL="http://thepassionateattachment.com/2012/09/25/israel-lobbyist-hints-that-pearl-harbor-may-be-needed-to-get-us-into-war-with-iran/"]Source[/URL] Video: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84l19H68mk[/media] Video Transcript: [quote]Last Friday, during question time at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy policy forum luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout,” the director of research at the pro-Israel think tank hinted that a Pearl Harbor-type attack might be necessary to get the United States to go to war against the Islamic Republic. [B]“I frankly think that crisis initiation is really tough,” said Patrick Clawson[/B], who also heads the Washington Institute’s Iran Security Initiative, in response to a question about what would happen if negotiations with Tehran fail. [B]“And it’s very hard for me to see how the United States … uh … President can get us to war with Iran.”[/B] As a consequence, Clawson said he was led to conclude that “the traditional way [that] America gets to war is what would be best for US interests.” Intriguingly, [B]he went on to recount a series of controversial incidents in American history — the attack on Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Lusitania, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and the blowing up of the USS Maine — that US presidents “had to wait for” before taking America to war. [/B] [B]“And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could call out the federal army until Fort Sumter was attacked,” Clawson continued, “which is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly that thing which the South Carolinians had said would cause an attack.” [/B] [B]“So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise,” the Israel lobbyist concluded with a smirk on his face, “it would be best if somebody else started the war.”[/B] [/quote] And yet the U.S. Senate just [URL="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/22/sense-of-the-congress-with-bibi-over-obama.html"]voted 90-1 on backing the Israeli PM over the president[/URL], seriously fuck the Israeli lobby, they're warmongering cunts and the issue here is that they're the second most powerful lobby in the United States (The first being the NRAA, which advocates domestic American interests whilst the Israeli lobby represents foreign interests)
Hey. Fuck off Israel. My patience is running out.
this is like supervillain shit they even did the thing where they boast about the plan before they do it
USS Liberty all over again?
lets kill americans to convince america to get into a war that will cost even more lives and money it doesn't have!
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37808546]this is like supervillain shit they even did the thing where they boast about the plan before they do it[/QUOTE] It sounded almost as though the lobbyist was trying to prevent war by presenting the argument for it in one of the scariest ways possible. Politics has it's double talk and meaning between words, I would assume typically this speech would be behind closed doors but it was a press event for the whole world to see, yet I can't tell if he's deliberately tainting the pool for war or down right evil.
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Motherfucker this is idiotic at the highest level possible. I don't want war with a country that's all about terrorism, it's like opening Pandora's Box. Just keep sanctioning Iran so they have to re-allocate resources towards preserving their economy, take better care of the countries that just went through a revolution to prevent terrorist cells from thriving and let common sense take its natural course.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;37808559]lets kill americans to convince america to get into a war that will cost even more lives and money it doesn't have![/QUOTE] War makes money, how do you think the Great Depression ended?
Dangit Israel a false flag attack doesn't work if you [B]tell everyone you're going to do one.[/B]
[QUOTE=Gundevil;37808902]War makes money, how do you think the Great Depression ended?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window[/url]
Remember, no Russian.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37808441]seriously fuck the Israeli lobby, they're warmongering cunts and the issue here is that they're the second most powerful lobby in the United States (The first being the NRAA, which advocates domestic American interests whilst the Israeli lobby represents foreign interests)[/QUOTE] They're both terrible lobbies and its scary if the two of them are the most powerful. [QUOTE=Gundevil;37808902]War makes money, how do you think the Great Depression ended?[/QUOTE] Things improved in the mid 1930s and on.
False flag? Whats that? Surely a false-flag has never occurred on american soil. Definitely not in the past 11 years atleast.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;37809160]False flag? Whats that? Surely a false-flag has never occurred on american soil. Definitely not in the past 11 years atleast.[/QUOTE] fuck off with your 9/11 truther bullshit [QUOTE=EliteGuy;37809065]Remember, no Hebrew[/QUOTE] fix'd
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;37809085]Things improved in the mid 1930s and on.[/QUOTE] The mid 1930s was the worst period in the depression, things didn't recover fully till the last 1940s after the War. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg/461px-Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg[/img]
Shame, that something like this won't be covered in the mainstream press anyways. It's more concerned about Romney wanting to open airplane windows.
maybe Starpluck should chasnge his avatar lol
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;37809241]The mid 1930s was the worst period in the depression, things didn't recover fully till the last 1940s after the War. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg/461px-Lange-MigrantMother02.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I said it started to improve in the mid 1930s, not completely recover.
Fuck off [del]Israel[/del] Israeli lobbyist guy, you're like a child that doesn't get it's way.
What this man said in the heat of the moment doesn't represent Israel though.
[QUOTE=mac338;37809391]What this man said in the heat of the moment doesn't represent Israel though.[/QUOTE] This is true.
That would be like saying some of the crazy things Rick Santorum says represents America.
can we just like kick israels ass now or something
What the fuck, who says this shit out loud?!
I like how looked from left to right and back and forth to see if anyone was actually going to egg him on. What a sniveling worm. Seriously, the Israeli lobby is some of the worst shit I've seen that keeps dragging us into other shit we don't need to get into.
[QUOTE=mac338;37809391]What this man said in the heat of the moment doesn't represent Israel though.[/QUOTE] Don't say 'heat of the moment' It attempts to exonerate and absolve the man of guilt because you're implying he was locked in which he was not prepared for and just had to say something quick. It seems clear that the answer he provided is one he considered previously considering its elaborate description. [QUOTE=mac338;37809416]That would be like saying some of the crazy things Rick Santorum says represents America.[/QUOTE] If the Israeli government decides it will give up, say, downtown Hebron, the Israeli lobby will say the same almost immediately. It is as independent of the Israeli government as the US Communist Party was independent of Moscow.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37809574]Don't say 'heat of the moment' It attempts to exonerate and absolve the man of guilt because you're implying he was locked in a situation where he had to say something quick without thinking [U]when he actually prepared his speech in advance and I'm sure it had to go through screening with the WINEP.[/U] While it doesn't directly represent Israel, it represents Israeli interests.[/QUOTE] It was [U]not[/U] part of the speech, it was [QUOTE="article"]in response to a question about what would happen if negotiations with Tehran fail.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=mac338;37809635]It was [U]not[/U] part of the speech, it was[/QUOTE] Oh right, my bad, that question was actually after his speech. The fact still remains, that he still holds the second highest position in the WINEP so what he says still remains representative.
Why would you even announce this plan. If Iran attacks the US then the US will assume that Israel actually attacked because of this guy's plan.
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