Man in my town Banned from Walmart for Life for Ad matching - Polidicks

[QUOTE]QUEEN CREEK, AZ - Joe Cantrell loves to ad match. He goes through circulars to find the biggest discounts, and then goes to Walmart. According to the company's website, they match the lowest advertised price on identical products. But, when Joe tried doing that last week, the unthinkable happened. "This is our tree, and I just wanted more color," says Joe. What started as a simple trip to Walmart in San Tan Valley to get more ornaments for his family's Christmas tree, turned into the biggest nightmare of Joe's life. "I was handcuffed, humiliated and embarrassed in front of everybody at Walmart," Joe remembers. And, there's a chance, Joe just may be the most loyal Walmart shopper you've ever met. "I go at least twice a day, once in the morning with my grandmother," he explains. Then, once again in the evening he told us. "The kids need something. I just love Walmart and that's why I go," he laughs. Because to Joe, every little dollar counts. "Sorry I get a little emotional about this, because I'm disabled," he says. After eight years in the ring as a professional wrestler and lots of injuries, "I can't do what I used to do for a living anymore," he says. So, four months ago, he started ad matching. But last week when a Walmart employee told him it wasn't allowed, Joe complained to management. "When I left, he turned around and called the Pinal County Sheriff's Office and said he felt intimidated and threatened. I was upset, but never once did I say anything to the gentleman," Joe tells us. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/queen_creek/Valley-man-banned-from-Walmart-for-life-[/URL]

Then stop fucking advertising price matching if you don't want people to find loopholes in it or abuse it.

What the fuck? Since when is ad matching illegal?

Doesn't Wal-Mart have security? Why'd he have to call the cops. Seems like someone's side isn't being told here honestly...

I think there is more to the story than we're getting. It will be interesting to see what comes out....

[QUOTE] the biggest nightmare of Joe's life. [/QUOTE] lol

It's like being arrested for trying to talk down a price

[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;43131652]Doesn't Wal-Mart have security? Why'd he have to call the cops. Seems like someone's side isn't being told here honestly...[/QUOTE] Wal-Mart security are just there for looks. They can't physically restrain you or try to keep you in the store, or even physically force you to leave. All they can do is take note of your activity and report it to the police when they arrive.

Walmart is shit to their employees [I]and[/I] their loyal customers now.

How dare you take advantage of what we advertise! Such swine!

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;43131665]lol[/QUOTE] Wal-mart tends to run small stores out of business in smaller towns, so pretty much everyone relies on them for everything from getting hunting supplies, video games, electronics in general or even simple groceries. It's not hard to see this being described "a nightmare". If the Wal-mart in the next town over from us closed down, if other businesses didn't come in to fill the gap, the entire economy of that town would flop so hard, they'd have a hell of a time recovering. We'd even feel the shock from it, since many people i know personally either work or have worked there.

the only possible explanation i can see for this is that they were unbranded ornaments so the ad didn't match (not justifying walmart at all ok)

fuck walmart

Yeah, small towns get royally fucked by Walmart, if any of the local businesses try to compete, Walmart will just drop their prices to unsustainable levels until they're the only game in town.

[QUOTE=Gordy H.;43131672]Wal-Mart security are just there for looks. They can't physically restrain you or try to keep you in the store, or even physically force you to leave. All they can do is take note of your activity and report it to the police when they arrive.[/QUOTE] nooooooot entirely true. Wal-mart has plain-clothes security doods that go around and more or less stalk people. If they find someone shoplifting, when they try to leave they'll confront that person and more or less detain them. I think a lot of them work part time for a police department so they can arrest and detain shop lifters. [editline]10th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=code_gs;43131644]What the fuck? Since when is ad matching illegal?[/QUOTE] Read the fucking article. The guy tried to price match but for whatever reason the cashier told him they couldn't do price matching. When he was leaving the cashier called the cops on the guy, so when he went back a few days later he was cuffed and arrested, but they let him go after they figured out what was going on. He's still got court summons and a ban from all walmarts, but 5$ says all charges will be dropped and the ban lifted.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43131763]Read the fucking article. The guy tried to price match but for whatever reason the cashier told him they couldn't do price matching. When he was leaving the cashier called the cops on the guy, so when he went back a few days later he was cuffed and arrested, but they let him go after they figured out what was going on. He's still got court summons and a ban from all walmarts, but 5$ says all charges will be dropped and the ban lifted.[/QUOTE] I read the article, and it never said he came back. The manager said he felt "threatened". When Joe found out he couldn't do ad matching, he didn't come back, he was arrested right there.

What does the police have to do with this? What is the accusation?

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43131763]nooooooot entirely true. Wal-mart has plain-clothes security doods that go around and more or less stalk people. If they find someone shoplifting, when they try to leave they'll confront that person and more or less detain them. I think a lot of them work part time for a police department so they can arrest and detain shop lifters. [/QUOTE] If I remember correctly, at least in the California Security Guard Handbook/Test, they could detain you only if they have witnessed the crime happen, thus plain clothes so they can physically see the crime happen, but as working part time with the police department has nothing to do with the guidelines security guards have. The rulebook in California states that a security guards job is to first prevent any crime happening and second if the crime does happen, you observe and report then hand that to the police. The entire book/test is online if you want to read it sometime, I only read it because I wanted to become a security guard.

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;43131837]What does the police have to do with this? What is the accusation?[/QUOTE] The manager felt "threatened" and called the police on the guy

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43131763]nooooooot entirely true. Wal-mart has plain-clothes security doods that go around and more or less stalk people. If they find someone shoplifting, when they try to leave they'll confront that person and more or less detain them. I think a lot of them work part time for a police department so they can arrest and detain shop lifters.[/QUOTE] The "Secret Shoppers", or "The SS" as I call them, aren't allowed to detain anyone for shoplifting from what I've heard. They'll fire you for that. If the SS officer or the alleged shoplifter are injured, Wal-Mart is liable for any damages and they can be sued. I've had these people stalk me before. They're really fucking bad at not being obvious. This one particularly fat SS officer was constantly peaking around corners at me trying to catch me shoplifting. I ended up just walking around the store for a few hours and tried to give her some exercise, then I confronted her about stalking me and I never saw her again. I hadn't even stolen anything :(

[QUOTE=Gordy H.;43131672]Wal-Mart security are just there for looks. They can't physically restrain you or try to keep you in the store, or even physically force you to leave. All they can do is take note of your activity and report it to the police when they arrive.[/QUOTE] In most jurisdictions it is perfectly legal for store security to detain a shoplifter. All they need is probable cause. No different at all from a citizens arrest. Ex. California Code: 837. A private person may arrest another: [B]For a public offense committed or attempted in his/her presence.[/B] When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he or she has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it. They only have to get law enforcement involved once the arrest is made, if they decide to not just retrieve the merchandise and let the person go.

pls stop shopping at walmart people. dont give them your money.

[QUOTE=Aznsniper911;43131846]If I remember correctly, at least in the California Security Guard Handbook/Test, they could detain you only if they have witnessed the crime happen, thus plain clothes so they can physically see the crime happen, but as working part time with the police department has nothing to do with the guidelines security guards have. The rulebook in California states that a security guards job is to first prevent any crime happening and second if the crime does happen, you observe and report then hand that to the police. The entire book/test is online if you want to read it sometime, I only read it because I wanted to become a security guard.[/QUOTE] What happens here in Florida, is that typically they'll watch them stuff a DVD in their pants or whatever, and when they try to walk out the door they'll detain them and have a sales associate act as a witness in case that person gets violent and they have to subdue them. They'll then take them to the security office and have them wait there until the police arrive. The head security guard at the walmart I've worked at at one point chased a guy all the way out of a walmart into another store, hog tied him with duct tape and then drove him back to the walmart. [editline]10th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;43131886]pls stop shopping at walmart people. dont give them your money.[/QUOTE] Walmart isn't as evil company as you think they are.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43131889] Walmart isn't as evil company as you think they are.[/QUOTE] Aside from the fact they run sweatshops in Bangladesh and China, and bribe the governments there to keep workers' conditions from improving?

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43131719]the only possible explanation i can see for this is that they were unbranded ornaments so the ad didn't match (not justifying walmart at all ok)[/QUOTE] As a past Cashier myself, I understand that people will often try and use "misleading" ads to their advantage. However, arresting someone for this is fucking retarded. Unless the person made a huge or violent scene about it, this is very unnecessary.

[QUOTE=archangel125;43131920]Aside from the fact they run sweatshops in Bangladesh and China, and bribe the governments there to keep workers' conditions from improving?[/QUOTE] Walmart is a retailer. While they may have some control over their supply chain, they themselves do not produce items. The 'Store Brand' is not produced by the Walmart corporation, but rather licensed by them from several smaller manufacturers. They do not run sweatshops, the sweatshops just make things for them.

[QUOTE=archangel125;43131920]Aside from the fact they run sweatshops in Bangladesh and China, and bribe the governments there to keep workers' conditions from improving?[/QUOTE] Thats more of China's and Bangladesh's issue than it is Walmart's. Blame the countries that refuse to reform and the companies that sell to Walmart's warehouses, not walmart.

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;43131858]The manager felt "threatened" and called the police on the guy[/QUOTE] "Hi, I found this item you're selling for $15 for $14.50 over at Target, could you please match the price?" "HE'S GOT A GLOCK SOMEONE CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD!!" I agree there must be more to the story than is being told here... Maybe Joe is one of those guys who comes across extremely aggressive, but is just talking normally? If that were the case, I can so easily see how someone could sit there and think they're being abused - we've had tenants in properties who (to anyone else in the office) it seems like they're being totally abused. But I know them and I know that's just HOW they talk. The people here all think they're rude, aggressive and angry all the time but I know they're absolutely not. Either that or this guy has actually done something bad that the article isn't letting on to in an effort to make a sob story in his favour. The quotes from Joe seem pretty cherry picked.

Okay so, I don't live in America, but I would assume Walmart has CCTV installed. Why don't they review the CCTV footage of the man and see whether his actions were indeed threatening towards management, and if this is false, charge the management with false accusations? I'm sure false accusations are illegal and Walmart head department would find this issue serious?

[QUOTE=Gfoose;43132049]Okay so, I don't live in America, but I would assume Walmart has CCTV installed. Why don't they review the CCTV footage of the man and see whether his actions were indeed threatening towards management, and if this is false, charge the management with false accusations? I'm sure false accusations are illegal and Walmart head department would find this issue serious?[/QUOTE] that would take effort.