Egyptian Army gives Morsi 48 hours to 'realise the demands of the people' - Polidicks

[img]http://imgkk.com/i/l6-x.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/01/us-egypt-protests-idUSBRE95Q0NO20130701[/url] [quote]Egypt's powerful armed forces issued a virtual ultimatum to Islamist President Mohamed Mursi on Monday, calling on the nation's feuding politicians to agree on an inclusive roadmap for the country's future within 48 hours. A dramatic military statement broadcast on state television declared the nation was in danger after millions of Egyptians took to the streets on Sunday to demand that Mursi quit and the headquarters of the ruling Muslim Brotherhood were ransacked. "If the demands of the people are not realized within the defined period, it will be incumbent upon (the armed forces)... to announce a road map for the future," said the statement by chief-of-staff General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. It was followed by patriotic music.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23133174[/url] [quote]Egypt's army has given the country's rival parties 48 hours to resolve a deadly political crisis. It would offer its own "road map" for peace if Islamist President Mohammed Morsi and his opponents failed to reach a deal. The statement came after anti-government protesters stormed the Cairo headquarters of the Muslim Brotherhood.[/quote]

i love that the egyptian military has been supporting the civilians in all of these protests armed and police forces have allowed the protests to continue without any military presence and yet there have been no riots or large scale violence

Seems like Morsi no longer has the support of the people and the government. Here's hoping he gets overthrown.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;41264220]i love that the egyptian military has been supporting the civilians in all of these protests armed and police forces have allowed the protests to continue without any military presence and yet there have been no riots or large scale violence[/QUOTE] Or the military is pandering to the populace for their own shot at power. I'm not making any judgments on this until it's over. [editline]1st July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Boba_Fett;41264227]Seems like Morsi no longer has the support of the people and the government. Here's hoping he gets overthrown.[/QUOTE] I think it's in Egypt's best interests that he steps down instead of overthrown.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;41264251]I think it's in Egypt's best interests that he steps down instead of overthrown.[/QUOTE] I don't really expect him to step down. If he does, then that would be even better.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was some tactic to gain favor and power by the military. But what I do enjoy seeing is when the official military of a country stands by its people, not it's dictators or government, in times of crisis.

I'll never forget when Mubarak deployed the army to crush protests and they just went nope and did this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQD-X9G9xfk[/media] Hopefully there won't be a repeat of the post-Mubarak military rule though

Well this is going to end quickly.

bullshit, this is just an excuse for the military to return to power

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;41264251]Or the military is pandering to the populace for their own shot at power. I'm not making any judgments on this until it's over.[/QUOTE]This is my big worry. If Morsi can't come up with something satisfactory and military takes over how hard would it be to just turn around and say "eh screw it, permanent military dictatorship time." I know they have had opportunities in the past but my guess they were afraid that the people would quickly rise up against them. However, now they have the people somewhat on their side making it much easier to take over.

of course the military is doing this they're worse than Morsi and are still vying for political power. Lets hope we don't end up with another junta.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;41264251]Or the military is pandering to the populace for their own shot at power. I'm not making any judgments on this until it's over. [editline]1st July 2013[/editline] I think it's in Egypt's best interests that he steps down instead of overthrown.[/QUOTE] They will immediately take over and declare Marshall law following his disposal

It's their projetct to get on the rest of Africas level :v:

The greatest threat to a democracy is a standing army.

About damn time. He's in deep shit now. Protests are unprecedented in sheer numbers right now. Even if he refuses to step down we'll force him to.

Junta inbound.

Arab Summer?

The holy shit live stream: [video=youtube;WitZ1IBhM1Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WitZ1IBhM1Y[/video] Only the feed from the top left (Raba'a El Adawaya Square) is Morsi supporters, the rest are the opposition. It's worth mentioning that Al Jazeera is supporting Morsi on this. You won't find it reporting anything but pro-Muslim-brotherhood propaganda.

How long has it been since they gave Morsi the ultimatum?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;41264251]Or the military is pandering to the populace for their own shot at power. I'm not making any judgments on this until it's over. [editline]1st July 2013[/editline] I think it's in Egypt's best interests that he steps down instead of overthrown.[/QUOTE] Aren't you ignoring the fact that Egypts military seized control of the country after Mubarak left and then voluntarily relinquished power over to Morsi when he won the election? If they did it then, I have no reason to believe they suddenly want power less than a year later.

OH BOY, we are in for a ride [QUOTE]Embattled Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi rebuffed an army ultimatum to force a resolution to Egypt's political crisis, saying Tuesday that he had not been consulted and would pursue his own plans for national reconciliation. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/morsi-rebuffs-egypt-army-s-ultimatum-as-obama-urges-him-to-respond-to-protesters-1.533270[/url]

As great as it is that the army is stepping in to help the people of the nation, it's a double edged sword, you have an army that is severely over stepping it's bound in terms of the democratic process, while they should in talk with Morsi they shouldn't be entering the situation by issuing an ultimatum. Like what happens if Morsi refuses to step down? The army just kicks him out? That sets a pretty bad precedent, if the army doesn't like you then you just get fucked out of the office, what if they decide they want someone to increase their funding or even just decide that they would run the country better?

[QUOTE=bravehat;41283705]As great as it is that the army is stepping in to help the people of the nation, it's a double edged sword, you have an army that is severely over stepping it's bound in terms of the democratic process, while they should in talk with Morsi they shouldn't be entering the situation by issuing an ultimatum. Like what happens if Morsi refuses to step down? The army just kicks him out? That sets a pretty bad precedent, if the army doesn't like you then you just get fucked out of the office, what if they decide they want someone to increase their funding or even just decide that they would run the country better?[/QUOTE] Then they run the country or get more funding.

[QUOTE=Gordy H.;41282897]Aren't you ignoring the fact that Egypts military seized control of the country after Mubarak left and then voluntarily relinquished power over to Morsi when he won the election? If they did it then, I have no reason to believe they suddenly want power less than a year later.[/QUOTE] they didn't voluntarily relinquish power. there was a power struggle that ended with quite a few military officials being forced out of power and pro-military courts being sidestepped in the creation of a constitution. this should be pretty scary. the military attempted to seize power before and now they are trying to do it again.

[QUOTE=voodooattack;41282742] It's worth mentioning that Al Jazeera is supporting Morsi on this. You won't find it reporting anything but pro-Muslim-brotherhood propaganda.[/QUOTE] Interesting to read/watch still, though. You can assume that it's no more or less biased than western media, just on the other side of the conflict.

I [I]really[/I] hope Morsi does something. As in, makes a decision for the people. Because if those 48 hours go up, the military might go in and try to take over. The military might become the government.

Here's what we know so far from [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/02/us-egypt-protests-roadmap-idUSBRE9610QN20130702]the current draft[/url] of the army's 'roadmap' about what will happen tomorrow if Morsi hasn't done something (unclear what he can do other than resign at this point): • The constitution will be suspended • Morsi will be removed from office • Parliament will be dissolved • The army will enter talks with the opposition NSF and 'other political, religious and youth organizations' to determine the way forward • Rather than military rule, the country will be governed by 'an interim council, composed mainly of civilians from different political groups and experienced technocrats' • An 'amended constitution' will be drafted 'within months' followed by a new presidential election • Parliamentary elections will be delayed 'until strict conditions for selecting candidates are in force' Encouragingly the plan apparently 'closely resembles proposals for a democratic transition put forward by the NSF' - the 'good guys' as far as most of us are concerned [editline]2nd July 2013[/editline] Also the ultimatum runs out tomorrow at [url=http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Man+gets+fired+from+job&iso=20130703T17&p1=53]5pm local time[/url]

[QUOTE=smurfy;41284385]Here's what we know so far from [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/02/us-egypt-protests-roadmap-idUSBRE9610QN20130702]the current draft[/url] of the army's 'roadmap' about what will happen tomorrow if Morsi hasn't done something (unclear what he can do other than resign at this point): • The constitution will be suspended • Morsi will be removed from office • Parliament will be dissolved • The army will enter talks with the opposition NSF and 'other political, religious and youth organizations' to determine the way forward • Rather than military rule, the country will be governed by 'an interim council, composed mainly of civilians from different political groups and experienced technocrats' • An 'amended constitution' will be drafted 'within months' followed by a new presidential election • Parliamentary elections will be delayed 'until strict conditions for selecting candidates are in force' Encouragingly the plan apparently 'closely resembles proposals for a democratic transition put forward by the NSF' - the 'good guys' as far as most of us are concerned [editline]2nd July 2013[/editline] Also the ultimatum runs out tomorrow at [url=http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Man+gets+fired+from+job&iso=20130703T17&p1=53]5pm local time[/url][/QUOTE] That doesn't sound too bad actually. I just hope they actually keep their word, because their is pretty much nothing stopping them at that point.

You vote for an Islamist president and his government ignores everyone who isn't a hardcore Islamist. Who would have thought? Theocracy and democracy are mutually exclusive, people. If you didn't want to hand your country over to religious extremists, don't vote for their candidate.

Found this video of the protest in Cairo on Sunday. It was pretty big I guess [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vux_-vJvHww[/media]