[QUOTE]Half of adults in Scotland say they are not religious, according to new statistics.
The latest Scottish Household Survey reveals that 49.8% of those surveyed said they did not have a religion - up from 40% in 2009.
There was also a fall in the number of people aligning themselves with the Church of Scotland, from 34% in 2009 to a quarter of people last year.
The wide-ranging annual survey provides a snapshot of life in Scotland.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37483946[/url]
A move to more secular ideals is always a good sign
We have something similar happening in Australia. It's progressing all throughout the west, and maybe in the United States too but perhaps by not as much.
However I would take the upcoming Australian census figures with a grain of salt. There was a huge movement on social media before the census, asking non-believers to put down that they are Christian. Apparently, 'if there are more people who say they are Muslim than people who say they are Christian*, we'll suddenly become an Islamic country which means sharia law, halal, public executions etc'. Lmao.
*And obviously disregarding people of other faiths, and non-believers
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[QUOTE=da space core;51116824]A move to more secular ideals is always a good sign[/QUOTE]
What about 1950s China?
[QUOTE=Xakoro;51116842]What about 1950s China?[/QUOTE]
1950s China was fucked, but not because of becoming secular :v:
[QUOTE=da space core;51116824]A move to more secular ideals is always a good sign[/QUOTE]
No.
now if only the rest of the world was the same
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51116884]No.[/QUOTE]
Wanna evaluate on that or?
not sure for either side to be honest
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51116884]No.[/QUOTE]
No? I'd like some more elaboration on this
[QUOTE=da space core;51116824]A move to more secular ideals is always a good sign[/QUOTE]
Religion has little to no bearing on morals and ideals.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51116922]Religion has little to no bearing on morals and ideals.[/QUOTE]
you sure about that?
[QUOTE=Paramud;51116922]Religion has little to no bearing on morals and ideals.[/QUOTE]
Religion is like 99% morals and ideals
Well if it's a blossoming of the ideals of humanism and rational inquiry. Then it's a good thing.
If it's just apathetic people discarding random things because they are traditional, then it's useless.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51116922]Religion has little to no bearing on morals and ideals.[/QUOTE]
Whst world do you live in? Sounds great.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51116932]Religion is like 99% morals and ideals[/QUOTE]
Two people with the exact same religion can have vastly different interpretations.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51116922]Religion has little to no bearing on morals and ideals.[/QUOTE]
Religions help create peoples morals and ideals more than anything else.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51116936]Well if it's a blossoming of the ideals of humanism and rational inquiry. Then it's a good thing.
If it's just apathetic people discarding random things because they are traditional, then it's useless.[/QUOTE]
Both I'd imagine
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51116947]Religions help create peoples morals and ideals more than anything else.[/QUOTE]
They also help people get over that mental hoop required to burn people alive.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51116945]Two people with the exact same religion can have vastly different interpretations.[/QUOTE]
It goes both ways, in a secular society people are more likely to make their own interpretation whichever religion they are practicing, but growing up in a religious society makes you more likely to adhere to the already established intepretation of said religion. Religion is both an expression of morals and ideals aswell as a source of them.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51116936]Well if it's a blossoming of the ideals of humanism and rational inquiry. Then it's a good thing.
If it's just apathetic people discarding random things because they are traditional, then it's useless.[/QUOTE]
Basically yes. The latter is a growing trend at least in the US and it's very, very scary.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51116945]Two people with the exact same religion can have vastly different interpretations.[/QUOTE]
This says more about people that it does about religion.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51116966]Basically yes. The latter is a growing trend at least in the US and it's very, very scary.[/QUOTE]
How is it scary? It's not necessarily "good" but it's not bad either.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;51116958]They also help people get over that mental hoop required to burn people alive.[/QUOTE]
I never suggested that the morals and ideals created were good or bad though.
every religion ever: you [B]must[/B] at all costs live your life in this [I]specific[/I] way!
paramud: religion doesn't actually have any bearing on ideals
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51116970]This says more about people that it does about religion.[/QUOTE]
In which case a move towards "secular ideals" (which don't exist) doesn't mean anything because people are equally as likely to come out of it with terrible ideals.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51116990]In which case a move towards "secular ideals" (which don't exist) doesn't mean anything because people are equally as likely to come out of it with terrible ideals.[/QUOTE]
There's already pleeeeeenty of people with terrible ideals that follow a specific religion so that's not going to make much of a difference.
I'm actually with Paramud on this one. While all religions outline a moral code that they expect their followers to adhere to, all too often religion has just been used as an excuse either for systemic oppression, genocide or other such things. While it may help people establish a simplistic moral code, it's really not all that important for it.
My goodness
I was applauding the movement to secular ideals.
You can be religious and secular, IE not extreme.
I don't care if you are Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, or pastafarist. As long as you don't use it to promote extremist ideas, what does it matter?
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[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51116884]No.[/QUOTE]
Mind explaining why?
at the risk of sounding edgy and stupid, i feel that as intelligence and education is cultivated, organized religion is found to be increasingly irrelevant as a source of ideals as people are becoming smart enough to develop their own worldviews and codes for themselves. in that light, it's wonderful news that Scotland is progressing with a more secular and educated society.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51116884]No.[/QUOTE]
presumably you think that either the government and religion should be more closely related then or are you going to backup a one-word argument
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