Putin says he won't be president for life - only until 2024 - Polidicks

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/putin-says-not-president-life-120059530.html[/url] [quote]Vladimir Putin has said he won't remain Russia's president for life and will step down in line with the constitution no later than 2024, according to an interview with a Russian news agency released Sunday. Staying in office beyond that would be "detrimental for the country and I don't need this," he told the Tass news agency. Putin, 62, has effectively led Russia since he was first elected in 2000. He stepped aside after two four-year terms to abide by constitutional term limits, but retained power as prime minister and was elected president again in 2012 to a six-year term. Putin said his decision on whether to run for a fourth term in 2018 will depend on the situation in the country and his "own mood."[/quote]

Well I mean he's 62, even dictators eventually just die and at 72 he's going to be one senior leader v:v:v

[QUOTE]Staying in office beyond that would be "detrimental for the country and I don't need this," he told the Tass news agency.[/QUOTE] Staying in office beyond this afternoon is detrimental enough, guy.

Jesus what a fucked up system.

[I]Ten more years! Ten more years! Ten more years![/I] This man respects democracy the way you respect a prostitute you fucked and then ditched without paying.

[img]https://oneway2day.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/czar-vladimir-putin-2.jpg[/img] At this point, he's dancing on democracy's carcass singing drinking songs with the Stoli bottle in hand.

[QUOTE=Occlusion;46562701]Jesus what a fucked up system.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46562744][I]Ten more years! Ten more years! Ten more years![/I] This man respects democracy the way you respect a prostitute you fucked and then ditched without paying.[/QUOTE] He's elected every single time by a landslide, the Russian people like him. There are plenty of countries who have no limits on the max amount of (continues) terms you can run for as president. There is a lot to be said about Putin but i am not sure whats so wrong with their political system or that he's planning to resign at a reasonable age.

[QUOTE=Cold;46562777]He's elected every single time by a landslide, the Russian people like him.[/QUOTE] Do they really, though?

[QUOTE=Cold;46562777]He's elected every single time by a landslide, the Russian people like him. There are plenty of countries who have no limits on the max amount of (continues) terms you can run for as president. There is a lot to be said about Putin but i am not sure whats so wrong with their political system or that he's planning to resign at a reasonable age.[/QUOTE] The russia people like him because its' all they know. It's all they are allowed to know.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46562811]Do they really, though?[/QUOTE] Probably, Russians have always reacted well to a guy who has gigantic balls and centralizes a government.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46562811]Do they really, though?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46562833]The russia people like him because its' all they know. It's all they are allowed to know.[/QUOTE] I am not sure why you guys think that Russia is some kinda of 1980th dictatorship,.

[QUOTE=Cold;46562855]I am not sure why you guys think that Russia is some kinda of 1980th dictatorship,.[/QUOTE] Because there have been major allegations of widespread fraud in every recent election, and the government has responded by declaring the election monitors 'foreign agents' and cracking down on them?

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46562811]Do they really, though?[/QUOTE] I think it's generally accepted that Putin would have been reelected with or without rigging the elections.

You mean dictator until 2024?

[QUOTE=Cold;46562777]He's elected every single time by a landslide, the Russian people like him. There are plenty of countries who have no limits on the max amount of (continues) terms you can run for as president. There is a lot to be said about Putin but i am not sure whats so wrong with their political system or that he's planning to resign at a reasonable age.[/QUOTE] Imagine if Cameron said he would stay on as Prime Minister for another 20 years. Now understand why people might not be happy about that.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46562893]Imagine if Cameron said he would stay on as Prime Minister for another 20 years. Now understand why people might not be happy about that.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2393958]People would be happy?[/url]

[QUOTE=Cold;46562777]He's elected every single time by a landslide, the Russian people like him.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]In September 2011, following a change in the law extending the presidential term from four years to six,[3] Putin announced that he would seek a third, non-consecutive term as President in the 2012 presidential election, [B]an announcement which led to large-scale protests in many Russian cities[/B]. He won the election in March 2012 and is serving a six-year term.[4][5] [B]Many of Putin's actions are regarded by the domestic opposition and foreign observers as undemocratic.[/B][6] The 2011 Democracy Index stated that Russia was in "a long process of regression [that] culminated in a move from a hybrid to an authoritarian regime" in view of Putin's candidacy and flawed parliamentary elections.[7] In 2014, Russia was excluded from the G8 group as a result of its annexation of Crimea.[8] During Putin's first premiership and presidency (1999–2008), real incomes increased by a factor of 2.5, real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved, and the Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction rose significantly.[9] Putin's first presidency was marked by high economic growth: the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, seeing GDP increase by 72% in PPP (as for nominal GDP, 600%)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On 4 March 2012, Putin won the 2012 Russian presidential elections in the first round, with 63.6% of the vote.[59] While efforts to make the elections transparent were publicized, including the usage of webcams in polling stations, the vote was criticized by the Russian opposition and by international observers from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe for procedural irregularities.[95][/QUOTE] Someone translate the writings of Ben Franklin into Russian, quick. Something about freedom and temporary security, something something, it's on the tip of my tongue. Also, remember what happened to Pussy Riot. That's what's wrong with Russia's everything system. [editline]24th November 2014[/editline] There's something in one of those quotes that's breaking shit so I can't edit, but those are from Wikipedia.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46562901]Someone translate the writings of Ben Franklin into Russian, quick. Something about freedom and temporary security, something something, it's on the tip of my tongue. Also, remember what happened to Pussy Riot. That's what's wrong with Russia's everything system. [editline]24th November 2014[/editline] There's something in one of those quotes that's breaking shit so I can't edit, but those are from Wikipedia.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Anyone who gives a little liberty for a little security deserves neither, and loses both. -Benjamin Franklin[/QUOTE]

That was a rhetorical statement. I knew exactly what I was talking about. But thanks for digging it up as a reminder for everyone.

I am not saying there is nothing wrong with putin or that he is an angle, he's a highly conservative and hard leader by western standards. But saying that people in Russia don't like him, or that his political system is flawed is not true. The Russians like him as a symbol and he greatly improved the economy, which wins him a great majority of 60+% of the voters. The official or unofficial pre election statistics don't deviate from the actual results all that much.

[QUOTE=Cold;46562991]I am not saying there is nothing wrong with putin or that he is an angle, he's a highly conservative and hard leader by western standards. But saying that people in Russia don't like him, or that his political system is flawed is not true. The Russians like him as a symbol and he greatly improved the economy, which wins him a great majority of 60+% of the voters. The official or unofficial "what do you think about Putin" statistics don't deviate from the actual results all that much.[/QUOTE] Funny how you say he improved their economy when right now its in a fast, downward spiral to collapse.

Putin's 62? Holy shit he looks like he's in his 30s-40s!

[QUOTE=joshuadim;46562996]Funny how you say he improved their economy when right now its in a fast, downward spiral to collapse.[/QUOTE] He did improve the economy, eight years running, and then the recession smacked Russia in 2009. Putin steered Russia through relatively cleanly and was praised for it. And then Crimea happened.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46562901]Someone translate the writings of Ben Franklin into Russian, quick. Something about freedom and temporary security, something something, it's on the tip of my tongue.[/QUOTE] I know people love to regurgitate this quote, but it's not something that can or should ever be followed as a rule. As a general principle, I think that we should try to maintain as much individual liberty as possible, but I submit that nobody truly agrees that this axiom should be obeyed under all circumstances. Anyone, for instance, who agrees that taxes are a good thing already disagrees with Ben's old saying. Or anyone who thinks that we should delegate powers to representatives rather than vote directly. Or anyone who thinks that we should have a military in any form.

[QUOTE=Saigon;46562889]I think it's generally accepted that Putin would have been reelected with or without rigging the elections.[/QUOTE] The elections are rigged way before they're even announced. First it's ensured that no one ever becomes a candidate if Kremlin doesn't give a green light. There are all kinds of ways, main ones are denial of media coverage and if the person still applies, the signatures they present will be declared false, and there's no reasonable way to appeal that. Even if they do, even if they win, that's two years after the elections have been held. So it's Putin and a bunch of crazies (parties' leaders) + one obscure figure no one really knows anything about (or better yet, someone who has had a bucket of shit turned over on them in the media). And we're not allowed to vote "against everyone", there's no such option, it has been removed a decade ago. On top of that the minimal voter turnout threshold has also been removed: it's not like we have huge problems with turnout, but it just illustrates what kind of measures the government is willing to use to make absolutely sure that Putin wins no matter what. So if one person, fucking Putin himself walks in and votes for Putin, [b]and no one else votes at all[/b] - Putin wins with 100% and that's legit, that's how ridiculous it is. I'm serious, there's nothing wrong with this hypothetical situation in the eyes of the law, it's totally fine. The only option for people who don't want to vote for Putin or his crazies/spoilers but still want to vote is to go and trash the ballot. And that's the exact equivalent of not voting at all, just a measure to ensure that no one will 'accidentally' count you in for Putin. Gee why Putin wins. And even in this perfect environment they still manage to scrap the bottom for a couple of extra percents here and there, completely screw up the calculations and make a countless voter frauds just to make it 63-64% instead of (probably) more realistic 56-57%, with ridiculously inflated turnout rates in the background (nearly half the polling places had major deviations in numbers, and some were outright bullshit like Chechnya's 99.6% and others with over 90%).

[QUOTE=joshuadim;46562996]Funny how you say he improved their economy when right now its in a fast, downward spiral to collapse.[/QUOTE] [quote], real incomes increased by a factor of 2.5, real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved, and the Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction rose significantly.[9] Putin's first presidency was marked by high economic growth: the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, seeing GDP increase by 72% in PPP (as for nominal GDP, 600%)[/quote] He's literally considered the man who put breath in the mouth of a lot of people. If he literally fucked the economy by taking over Ukraine you'll see in the next election.

[QUOTE=gudman;46563091]The elections are rigged way before they're even announced. First it's ensured that no one ever becomes a candidate if Kremlin doesn't give a green light. There are all kinds of ways, main ones are denial of media coverage and if the person still applies, the signatures they present will be declared false, and there's no reasonable way to appeal that. Even if they do, even if they win, that's two years after the elections have been held. So it's Putin and a bunch of crazies (parties' leaders) + one obscure figure no one really knows anything about (or better yet, someone who has had a bucket of shit turned over on them in the media). And we're not allowed to vote "against everyone", there's no such option, it has been removed a decade ago. On top of that the minimal voter turnout threshold has also been removed: it's not like we have huge problems with turnout, but it just illustrates what kind of measures the government is willing to use to make absolutely sure that Putin wins no matter what. So if one person, fucking Putin himself walks in and votes for Putin, [b]and no one else votes at all[/b] - Putin wins with 100% and that's legit, that's how ridiculous it is. I'm serious, there's nothing wrong with this hypothetical situation in the eyes of the law, it's totally fine. The only option for people who don't want to vote for Putin or his crazies/spoilers but still want to vote is to go and trash the ballot. And that's the exact equivalent of not voting at all, just a measure to ensure that no one will 'accidentally' count you in for Putin. Gee why Putin wins. And even in this perfect environment they still manage to scrap the bottom for a couple of extra percents here and there, completely screw up the calculations and make a countless voter frauds just to make it 63-64% instead of (probably) more realistic 56-57%, with ridiculously inflated turnout rates in the background (nearly half the polling places had major deviations in numbers, and some were outright bullshit like Chechnya's 99.6% and others with over 90%).[/QUOTE] Is 85% approval rating as per Levada legit in your eyes?

[QUOTE=Explosions;46563023]I know people love to regurgitate this quote, but it's not something that can or should ever be followed as a rule. As a general principle, I think that we should try to maintain as much individual liberty as possible, but I submit that nobody truly agrees that this axiom should be obeyed under all circumstances. Anyone, for instance, who agrees that taxes are a good thing already disagrees with Ben's old saying. Or anyone who thinks that we should delegate powers to representatives rather than vote directly. Or anyone who thinks that we should have a military in any form.[/QUOTE] Putin's Russia has been one of economic growth at the cost of democracy. Putin had YUKOS destroyed and its assets auctioned off at below cost, the largest going to a government-majority-owned corporation. The government claims the company president committed fraud and tax evasion, but opponents saw it as political punishment for the president's financial support to opponents of the Kremlin. I'm not talking absolute, ideal freedom, because that's the road to anarchy. A national population has to give up some degree of freedom for the sake of social order. This includes arresting lots of protesters. [QUOTE]After the parliamentary elections on 4 December 2011, tens of thousands Russians engaged in protests against alleged electoral fraud, the largest protests in Putin's time; protesters criticized Putin and United Russia and demanded annulment of the election results.[91] However, those protests, organized by the leaders of the Russian "non-systemic opposition", sparked the fear of a colour revolution in society, and a number of "anti-Orange" counter-protests (the name alludes to the Orange Revolution in Ukraine) and rallies of Putin supporters were carried out, surpassing in scale the opposition protests.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Between 2000 and 2004, Putin set about reconstruction of the impoverished condition of the country, apparently winning a power-struggle with the Russian oligarchs, reaching a 'grand-bargain' with them. This bargain allowed the oligarchs to maintain most of their powers, in exchange for their explicit support – and alignment with – his government.[/QUOTE] The Russian people believe Putin will keep them safe. Meanwhile he and the oligarchs he made a deal with, and the new ones that've emerged, are robbing the nation. It's the frog in the pot of water. Everything's fine until suddenly you're fucked.

[QUOTE=Elspin;46562669]Well I mean he's 62, even dictators eventually just die and at 72 he's going to be one senior leader v:v:v[/QUOTE] Putin died in 2004, these are his clones.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;46563154]In Putin's Russia, this includes arresting lots of protesters.[/QUOTE] Damnit, half-finished thought, there. aaaaaaand automerge. fak