Rush Limbaugh concedes conservatives 'lost' marriage debate - Polidicks

[quote](CNN) - Conservatives who oppose same-sex marriage must accept that they’ve “lost the issue,” radio host Rush Limbaugh argued Thursday. [B]“This issue is lost,” the conservative firebrand said. “I don't care what the Supreme Court does, this is now inevitable - and it's inevitable because we lost the language on this. “[/B] Limbaugh went on to assert conservatives [B]“lost the issue when we started allowing the word ‘marriage’ to be bastardized and redefined by simply adding words to it.”[/B] “Marriage is one thing, and it was not established on the basis of discrimination,” he continued. “It wasn't established on the basis of denying people anything. ‘Marriage’ is not a tradition that a bunch of people concocted to be mean to other people with. But we allowed the left to have people believe that it was structured that way. “ The Supreme Court heard oral arguments on the legality of same-sex marriage earlier this week.[/quote] [url]http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/28/rush-limbaugh-concedes-conservatives-lost-marriage-debate/?hpt=po_t1[/url]

What a bigot. I'm surprised people listen to his vocal diarrhea

They lost because the only argument was "A book didn't like it so I don't"

The world will move forward eventually.

gay

i got a cigar limbaugh can puff on

[QUOTE=VOSK;40105786]What a bigot. I'm surprised people listen to his vocal diarrhea[/QUOTE] It's because a lot of dumbasses in America agree with him. Luckily that number is falling.

No Limbaugh. You lost because people are a bit less dumb than you would like them to be.

I think we should ban poor people because I read atlas shrugged once and it said poor people suck stop oppressing my religious views

I'm ashamed my dad listens to this idiot.

also [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFpFO4MwHUQ[/media]

God you guys are so left it's sad. You bandwagon so hard you can't consider other viewpoints. Think for yourselves sometimes. I understand his point here even if I don't like him. Christians define marriage in a way we don't. For them it's defined as between a man and a woman. It's a religious thing. Not a political thing. They don't want the word 'marriage' attached to something counter to their beliefs. Completely understandable. The problem is marriage is simultaneously a social process/event that has gotten meaning apart from the christians'. We WANT this pop culture version of marriage while they DON'T want their religion to be changed. They truly think they are the victims. It's analogous to asking for an atheist christmas or gay passover. They don't, and shouldn't, happen in the views of the religious party. Now does this mean I don't support gay marriage? Hell no, but take 2 seconds to consider other people's opinions. No doubt people will misinterpret this and rate me dumb, but that will really just reinforce the point for thr people who get what I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106339]God you guys are so left it's sad. You bandwagon so hard you can't consider other viewpoints. Think for yourselves sometimes. I understand his point here even if I don't like him. Christians define marriage in a way we don't. For them it's defined as between a man and a woman. It's a religious thing. Not a political thing. They don't want the word 'marriage' attached to something counter to their beliefs. Completely understandable. The problem is marriage is simultaneously a social process/event that has gotten meaning apart from the christians'. We WANT this pop culture version of marriage while they DON'T want their religion to be changed. They truly think they are the victims. It's analogous to asking for an atheist christmas or gay passover. They don't, and shouldn't, happen in the views of the religious party. Now does this mean I don't support gay marriage? Hell no, but take 2 seconds to consider other people's opinions. No doubt people will misinterpret this and rate me dumb, but that will really just reinforce the point for thr people who get what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] Tell me where Christianity copyrighted the word and definition of "marriage".

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106339]God you guys are so left it's sad. You bandwagon so hard you can't consider other viewpoints. Think for yourselves sometimes. I understand his point here even if I don't like him. [B]Christians define marriage in a way we don't. For them it's defined as between a man and a woman. It's a religious thing. Not a political thing.[/B] They don't want the word 'marriage' attached to something counter to their beliefs. Completely understandable. The problem is marriage is simultaneously a social process/event that has gotten meaning apart from the christians'. We WANT this pop culture version of marriage while they DON'T want their religion to be changed. They truly think they are the victims. It's analogous to asking for an atheist christmas or gay passover. They don't, and shouldn't, happen in the views of the religious party. Now does this mean I don't support gay marriage? Hell no, but take 2 seconds to consider other people's opinions. No doubt people will misinterpret this and rate me dumb, but that will really just reinforce the point for thr people who get what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] it's a pretty good thing that we got separation of church and state then, isn't it they really don't have much ground for trying to deny other people the legal benefits of marriage because their religion says it can only be between a man and a woman

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106339]God you guys are so left it's sad. You bandwagon so hard you can't consider other viewpoints. Think for yourselves sometimes. I understand his point here even if I don't like him. Christians define marriage in a way we don't. For them it's defined as between a man and a woman. It's a religious thing. Not a political thing. They don't want the word 'marriage' attached to something counter to their beliefs. Completely understandable. The problem is marriage is simultaneously a social process/event that has gotten meaning apart from the christians'. We WANT this pop culture version of marriage while they DON'T want their religion to be changed. They truly think they are the victims. It's analogous to asking for an atheist christmas or gay passover. They don't, and shouldn't, happen in the views of the religious party. Now does this mean I don't support gay marriage? Hell no, but take 2 seconds to consider other people's opinions. No doubt people will misinterpret this and rate me dumb, but that will really just reinforce the point for thr people who get what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] Excuse me for not considering the viewpoint of someone who considers marriage to be 'bastardized and redefined by simply adding words to it' because of gay marriage.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106339]God you guys are so left it's sad. You bandwagon so hard you can't consider other viewpoints. Think for yourselves sometimes. I understand his point here even if I don't like him. Christians define marriage in a way we don't. For them it's defined as between a man and a woman. It's a religious thing. Not a political thing. They don't want the word 'marriage' attached to something counter to their beliefs. Completely understandable. The problem is marriage is simultaneously a social process/event that has gotten meaning apart from the christians'. We WANT this pop culture version of marriage while they DON'T want their religion to be changed. They truly think they are the victims. It's analogous to asking for an atheist christmas or gay passover. They don't, and shouldn't, happen in the views of the religious party. Now does this mean I don't support gay marriage? Hell no, but take 2 seconds to consider other people's opinions. No doubt people will misinterpret this and rate me dumb, but that will really just reinforce the point for thr people who get what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] The thing is though, religion should have no bearing at all on how laws are passed in the states. The church and the state have been separated forever. And I guess it's kinda sad that we are standing up for rights of others.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106339]God you guys are so left it's sad. You bandwagon so hard you can't consider other viewpoints. Think for yourselves sometimes. I understand his point here even if I don't like him. Christians define marriage in a way we don't. For them it's defined as between a man and a woman. It's a religious thing. Not a political thing. They don't want the word 'marriage' attached to something counter to their beliefs. Completely understandable. The problem is marriage is simultaneously a social process/event that has gotten meaning apart from the christians'. We WANT this pop culture version of marriage while they DON'T want their religion to be changed. They truly think they are the victims. It's analogous to asking for an atheist christmas or gay passover. They don't, and shouldn't, happen in the views of the religious party. Now does this mean I don't support gay marriage? Hell no, but take 2 seconds to consider other people's opinions. No doubt people will misinterpret this and rate me dumb, but that will really just reinforce the point for thr people who get what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] Well I'm sorry but their opinions are wrong because they're suffering the delusion that their religious definition of what marriage is should hold weight in the debate about the issue. Separation of church and state. If they really are upset about some word association, they're free to alter what they currently define marriage to be to another word.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106339]God you guys are so left it's sad. You bandwagon so hard you can't consider other viewpoints. Think for yourselves sometimes. I understand his point here even if I don't like him. Christians define marriage in a way we don't. For them it's defined as between a man and a woman. It's a religious thing. Not a political thing. They don't want the word 'marriage' attached to something counter to their beliefs. Completely understandable. The problem is marriage is simultaneously a social process/event that has gotten meaning apart from the christians'. We WANT this pop culture version of marriage while they DON'T want their religion to be changed. They truly think they are the victims. It's analogous to asking for an atheist christmas or gay passover. They don't, and shouldn't, happen in the views of the religious party. Now does this mean I don't support gay marriage? Hell no, but take 2 seconds to consider other people's opinions. No doubt people will misinterpret this and rate me dumb, but that will really just reinforce the point for thr people who get what I'm saying.[/QUOTE] Fuck off, marriage has been around for thousands of years before Christianity, and like it or not that marriage affords certain benefits to a particular group of people. Here's an idea, maybe those christians could stop being bigoted assholes and stop viewing homosexuality as something dirty and unclean.

Tbh, calling him a bigot is jumping the gun. All he is saying is that is Conservatives lost the arguement. :zoid:

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106339]atheist christmas or gay passover[/QUOTE] oh you mean that one holiday that no longer has any religious meaning and is only about consumerism and that other holiday where we paint eggs in outrageously flamboyant colors? WELP GUESS THAT'S COVERED

[QUOTE=SexualShark;40106439]Tbh, calling him a bigot is jumping the gun. All he is saying is that is Conservatives lost the arguement. :zoid:[/QUOTE] He did it in such an idiotic way. [quote]“lost the issue when we started allowing the word ‘marriage’ to be bastardized and redefined by simply adding words to it.”[/quote] That's basically saying "We lost because everyone else is disgusting scum bastardizing our beliefs." He's not saying they lost because they're wrong in any way.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;40106439]Tbh, calling him a bigot is jumping the gun. All he is saying is that is Conservatives lost the arguement. :zoid:[/QUOTE] Yeah because they were too honest about their opinions on it: “This issue is lost,” the conservative firebrand said. “I don't care what the Supreme Court does, this is now inevitable - and it's inevitable because we lost the language on this. “ Limbaugh went on to assert conservatives “lost the issue when we started allowing the word ‘marriage’ to be bastardized and redefined by simply adding words to it.” He's basically saying they were too harsh and honest about how they felt about it, and that maybe if they were sneaky little fuckers about it then people would have sided with them.

Whether or not Christians or any particular sect of them are correct in their religious beliefs, the fact of the matter is we live in a secular nation and civil equality comes before religious beliefs of any church, temple or mosque. Unless an angel of God comes down and says, "Don't do this", then I have no issue with gay marriage/civil union. Listening to NPR, who broadcasted a lot of interviews on the rightwing side of the issue, most don't care about gays getting together - they just want the word "marriage" off and put "civil union" in their place. To me, that's the pettiest argument in the world and only complains about semantics. Marriage or civil union, whatever the name is it's essentially the same - especially when the law gives equal benefits to both. As for the minority of those rightwingers who go further and say marriage is to build a structured family fit for procreation - I hope they get a divorce after their 50s, because they can no longer procreate, so why should they get the tax benefits for such (under their own definition)? I should note - I'm a Christian and I have absolutely no issue with gay marriage.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;40106450]He did it in such an idiotic way. That's basically saying "We lost because everyone else is disgusting scum bastardizing our beliefs." He's not saying they lost because they're wrong in any way.[/QUOTE] I think you're being too optimistic if you think Rush Limbaugh or any other conservative is going to realize the flaws in their arguments.

I am ashamed to be Conservative right now. Its disturbing.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;40106488]I am ashamed to be Conservative right now. Its disturbing.[/QUOTE] Just to be clear - you're ashamed because of Limbaugh associating with your side, or because of gay marriage?

Stop acting like I'm an idiot. I agree and support gay marriage and I even said that in my post but you still can't blindly support something without understanding the viewpoints of the opposing party enough to say, "Yes, I see, but I STILL think you're wrong." If we don't we're just as bad as they are.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106507]Stop acting like I'm an idiot. I agree and support gay marriage and I even said that in my post but you still can't blindly support something without understanding the viewpoints of the opposing party enough to say, "Yes, I see, but I STILL think you're wrong." If we don't we're just as bad as they are.[/QUOTE] Why do we have to level with people who say that gays shouldn't marry? I know their viewpoint but their viewpoint is useless.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106507]Stop acting like I'm an idiot. I agree and support gay marriage and I even said that in my post but you still can't blindly support something without understanding the viewpoints of the opposing party enough to say, "Yes, I see, but I STILL think you're wrong." If we don't we're just as bad as they are.[/QUOTE] Except we're not, because we're not the ones trying to stop a group of people achieving what should be a basic right that should have been given to them decades ago. I'm sick and tired of this whole "eveyones opinion is equal and we're just as bad as they are if we do x," bullshit, not every opinion is valid, that line of logic means that you have to treat the opinions of the KKK and neo nazi skinheads as valid alongside the opinions of every non racist, it's absolute horse shit of the highest degree.

[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzar;40106507]Stop acting like I'm an idiot. I agree and support gay marriage and I even said that in my post but you still can't blindly support something without understanding the viewpoints of the opposing party enough to say, "Yes, I see, but I STILL think you're wrong." If we don't we're just as bad as they are.[/QUOTE] Because this religious pretense is already horseshit. What they really want to say is that faggots have a mental disorder and should not be tolerated in society, like they would have said 50 years ago. The religious argument for every social issue is already a big PR stunt.