Not really sure what to say about this.
On one hand, he failed, so he deserves punishment. The other says that this kind of punishment is a tad bit extreme, but I'm no parent, so who am I to judge others' parenting methods.
is this real or fake.?
[QUOTE=Derp123213;47740908]Not really sure what to say about this.
On one hand, he failed, so he deserves punishment. The other says that this kind of punishment is a tad bit extreme, but I'm no parent, so who am I to judge others' parenting methods.[/QUOTE]
Destroying perfectly functional material is extremely stupid.
You should at least sell it or give it away.
Furthermore, I think this isn't the best way of handling such a situation. Shouldn't you be assisting your kid instead of shitting on them so they can get better ? This is probably more likely to make them feel bad and continue to go in the wrong direction.
These have been done before, always fake just to viral.
Ooof, and he did it to a white 360 too. They don't even make those anymore.
If it was real then it's bad parenting imo
that's just stupid. the worst part is that it's very possible he could grow up thinking that's the only way they'll "learn". i mean, if you think about it that could've been anything and it would've been just as fucked up. what is he was into books or action figures? man don't make him do that, it's just fucking twisted. at that age kids are highly susceptible to permanent damage.
[QUOTE=KingKombat;47740963]that's just stupid. the worst part is that it's very possible he could grow up thinking that's the only way they'll "learn". i mean, if you think about it that could've been anything and it would've been just as fucked up. what is he was into books or action figures? man don't make him do that, it's just fucking twisted. at that age kids are highly susceptible to [B]permanent damage.[/B][/QUOTE]
Permanent damage? For breaking a fucking X-Box? Are you kidding me?
This kid seemed to have chances and regardless of whether or not the grades were his fault or not, the X-Box isn't helping anything. This is (from what I'm understanding) supposed to be a lesson to move on past fun obsessions and move on - video games should be prioritized last after all of your other stuff. This is literally destroying part of the cause of your problems.
What people are missing is that you can do something like this [I]and[/I] talk to your kid. We don't see what happened before or after the video. We don't see how this kid is fucking up, or what his parents are like. We don't see anything. And for all of us non-parents to butt in and say, "WOW WHAT A SHIT PARENT" is seriously stupid.
In my mind, I'm so glad I was able to finish school. I didn't get forced to smash my Xbox but that would be a damn sure reminder that I should do my school work so I can have an Xbox.
No doubt it's really shitty and mean to watch but that kid isn't forgetting this and down the line I don't think he can really hold it against his dad.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47741023]Permanent damage? For breaking a fucking X-Box? Are you kidding me?
[/QUOTE]
"C'mon gramps, that was ages ago"
"You weren't there man! There was gooks breaking my xbox left right and centre, day and night!"
Plus I like being outside so smash my xbox would be awesome.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47741023]Permanent damage? For breaking a fucking X-Box? Are you kidding me?
This kid seemed to have chances and regardless of whether or not the grades were his fault or not, the X-Box isn't helping anything. This is (from what I'm understanding) supposed to be a lesson to move on past fun obsessions and move on - video games should be prioritized last after all of your other stuff. This is literally destroying part of the cause of your problems.
What people are missing is that you can do something like this [I]and[/I] talk to your kid. We don't see what happened before or after the video. We don't see how this kid is fucking up, or what his parents are like. We don't see anything. And for all of us non-parents to butt in and say, "WOW WHAT A SHIT PARENT" is seriously stupid.[/QUOTE]
or how about looking past the physical worth and look at the emotional impact? the dad is having him destroy his hobby on the front lawn while recording it and uploading it to youtube.
Look, I understand that a lot of social life is moving over the internet, and that especially goes for games. However, to say that removing a luxury is going to cause permanent damage is admitting there's a way, way bigger problem going on and sounds insane.
I think recording it is probably the weirdest part about it.
Humiliating your kid on top of everything? Good job.
That is assuming of course this all isn't fake, which it quite possibly is.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;47741043]or how about looking past the physical worth and look at the emotional impact? the dad is having him destroy his hobby on the front lawn while recording it and uploading it to youtube.[/QUOTE]
Physical worth is irrelevant. Shame is not always bad.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47741044]Look, I understand that a lot of social life is moving over the internet, and that especially goes for games. However, to say that removing a luxury is going to cause permanent damage is admitting there's a way, way bigger problem going on and sounds insane.[/QUOTE]
"Removing" it, and this, are entirely different concepts.
What he's doing is directly telling his son his hobby is shit and he should both literally, and symbolically destroy it.
You know, there's OTHER ways of "Removing" something like that from your kids life.
And far less damaging ones that tells your kid what a loser playing games makes him
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47741069]"Removing" it, and this, are entirely different concepts.
What he's doing is directly telling his son his hobby is shit and he should both literally, and symbolically destroy it.
You know, there's OTHER ways of "Removing" something like that from your kids life.
And far less damaging ones that tells your kid what a loser playing games makes him[/QUOTE]
Where did he say he was a loser? I didn't hear anything about the father saying his kid's hobby was shit.
[b]EDIT:[/b] Nope, you're putting words in his mouth. How do you know he's saying that the kid's hobby is shit? How do you know he's not having him literally and symbolically destroy a problem that is distracting him from things like his grades and other responsibilities?
What a great way to get your kid to resent you.
It's not about the Xbox imo it's more about the fact that he literally made him break it. I mean of course right now it doesn't seem like much, but I think about it this way: when I was growing up, my PlayStation was, in fact, important to me. Was it an obsession? No, of course not. But first and foremost, my parents wouldn't in a million years make me fucking destroy it in the backyard or some shit. That's fucking hardcore insanity right there, sorry. Oh yeah, "my dad made me fucking shatter my xbox" kinda indicates that there's kind of a big problem in that household dynamic. I mean I get it, it was for the grades, but it's not a big deal, and not nearly big enough to make your fucking child go and destroy his posessions. Secondly, does this guy grow fucking money on trees? I don't give a shit what your income is like, that's money you just wasted right there. Like at least $200-$300 easily.
This is some seriously warped shit. I mean at the very least, it's forced aggression towards something he cared about (generally speaking). It's fucking barbaric in terms of parenting, and physical violence. I don't doubt for a second that this guy could have some sort of anger issues or trouble realizing the implications of his own actions outside of this video as well. That's purely speculatory, sure, but his dad making him break his favorite game console over bad fucking grades? As many have said before, this is just planting the seed for the future. I can only imagine what else he's had to break. He's a fucking kid, dude. No matter how you slice it, this is a purely batshit punishment. Maybe "permanent damage" sound kinda scary and implies a much darker outcome, but nonetheless I believe it describes the concept.
One bad memory is really all it takes. I know if anyone came up to me saying "my dad made me destroy my xbox when i was 11 because i got a d in science" then i'd definitely wouldn't hesitate to see that father as nothing short of a douche, at the very least.
You make it sound like it's out of the blue and completely unwarranted when it sounds like the kid knew what was going to happen and failed anyway.
You can't place a value on showing your kid you mean business and that they need to get it together. To suggest that he's going to need therapy and that he's forever going to hate his father for doing this to him is being overly sensitive in your assumptions and quick to be outraged.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47741274]You make it sound like it's out of the blue and completely unwarranted when it sounds like the kid knew what was going to happen and failed anyway..[/QUOTE]
Oh, so we can call this completely warranted? Making your kid do something as stupid as destroying one of their favorite things? He knew this was going to happen? Oh yes, this was clearly the logical course of action. Have you never failed something ever in your life? It kinda happens.
[quote]You can't place a value on showing your kid you mean business and that they need to get it together.[/quote]
uh yeah there's a big difference there dude
[quote]To suggest that he's going to need therapy and that he's forever going to hate his father for doing this to him is being overly sensitive in your assumptions and quick to be outraged[/quote]
I'm pretty sure I made it very clear that this video alone is monumentally stupid just for the extremely unnecessary act of making your kid break one of his favorite things, and that to me it implies the guy recording it has pretty questionable tactics as a parent if this is just one of the many ways he conducts his so-called lessons. Of course you could say that, if you wanted to completely gloss over everything I said.
Should he have kept up the grades? Obviously. Should his dad have used a negative amount of brain power to come up with a fitting solution? No. This is dumb.
You guys are so deluded if you think this was unwarranted and may leave a "scar" on him (the fuck?)
Here is the most possible scenario: guy played xbox 24/7, forgetting about school, dad warned him multiple times to pay more attention to studies or else, guy doesnt care and plays on, fails his class, dad punishes him.
The only way you get little kids to do something is to threaten stuff they like. Sounds harsh, but effective and true. What would you have done differently?
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;47740912]is this real or fake.?[/QUOTE]
The vertical syndrome is definitely real.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47741533]You guys are so deluded if you think this was unwarranted and may leave a "scar" on him (the fuck?)
Here is the most possible scenario: guy played xbox 24/7, forgetting about school, dad warned him multiple times to pay more attention to studies or else, guy doesnt care and plays on, fails his class, dad punishes him.
The only way you get little kids to do something is to threaten stuff they like. Sounds harsh, but effective and true. What would you have done differently?[/QUOTE]
Talk to him and discuss his problems and what's holding him back like a rational and calm adult, then do my best to help him, not force him to destroy his expensive things on camera like a fucking manbaby
Like seriously, if your first thought when your child is doing poorly in school is to punish him by not just taking away, but forcing him to destroy it, while recording it on camera, you're fucked up and shouldn't be a parent.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47741533]You guys are so deluded if you think this was unwarranted and may leave a "scar" on him (the fuck?)
Here is the most possible scenario: guy played xbox 24/7, forgetting about school, dad warned him multiple times to pay more attention to studies or else, guy doesnt care and plays on, fails his class, dad punishes him.
The only way you get little kids to do something is to threaten stuff they like. Sounds harsh, but effective and true. What would you have done differently?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't make a youtube video of him destroying an object that cost the family hundreds of dollars(perhaps more).
[editline]17th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47741088]Where did he say he was a loser? I didn't hear anything about the father saying his kid's hobby was shit.
[b]EDIT:[/b] Nope, you're putting words in his mouth. How do you know he's saying that the kid's hobby is shit? How do you know he's not having him literally and symbolically destroy a problem that is distracting him from things like his grades and other responsibilities?[/QUOTE]
Do you need to say things to imply them? Do you live in a world without implications?
Are you incapable of thinking that a teenager is going to see this actions as nothing but unfair, ridiculous, an over reaction, and a demonstration of how little his father cares about a thing he cares about.
Do you know how ridiculous it is that you're defending this so steadfastly like discipling your kids with stupid methods helps? You know what [B]GOOD[/B] parents would do for their kid who's failing due to playing too many video games?
They'd fucking [B]talk[/B] to him.
[editline]17th May 2015[/editline]
Wow how outlandish and far too forgiving of me to think that rather than force them to destroy things they like, I'd talk to them because there's NO way they can possibly internalize ANY of that message, right?
Actions are nothing more than actions and don't symbolize ANYTHING right guys?
I'm not angry about this for any other reason than people who justify shitty parenting methods create shittier kids.
[editline]17th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47741274]You make it sound like it's out of the blue and completely unwarranted when it sounds like the kid knew what was going to happen and failed anyway.
You can't place a value on showing your kid you mean business and that they need to get it together. To suggest that he's going to need therapy and that he's forever going to hate his father for doing this to him is being overly sensitive in your assumptions and quick to be outraged.[/QUOTE]
No one's saying the kids going to have fucking PTSD over it.
It doesn't mean he won't internalize the obvious(And how you just ignore that forcing your kid to destroy an object they care about carries symbolism and a message) message of that. You don't need to tell your kid he's a loser for him to feel that way. Making that kid break his own cared about possessions is an obvious statement about how little those things mean to his father, and how little his caring about them means.
Just stop justifying treating your kids like shit when you can just very well talk to them and do much better.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47741584]Talk to him and discuss his problems and what's holding him back like a rational and calm adult, then do my best to help him, not force him to destroy his expensive things on camera like a fucking manbaby
Like seriously, if your first thought when your child is doing poorly in school is to punish him by not just taking away, but forcing him to destroy it, while recording it on camera, you're fucked up and shouldn't be a parent.[/QUOTE]
I weren't specifically talking about recording it on camera, but despite that, it sounds like you think parenting is a really easy thing to do, and I would not blame you because you don't have your child to take care of, but you're in the wrong if you think that you can solve every problem with your kid by talking to him in a calm manner. There are things they aren't willing to keep in mind unless teaching them the hard way.
Having a kid is way beyond the black/white outlook you guys have, you cannot fucking expect they will do everything as you ask and tell them to do.
I am speaking from my own experience as I've been stuck in a situation similar to the kid's, only difference I was smart enough to learn my lesson before my gaming privileges got revoked.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47741606]
Just stop justifying treating your kids like shit when you can just very well talk to them and do much better.[/QUOTE]
How about stop treating your kids like grown up adults and listen to every warning and advice carefully and keep it in mind (which even grown up people nowadays fail to do at times)
[editline]17th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;47742116]Of course talking doesn't always cut it, but when you punish a child you're the adult in the situation. Who the fuck thinks it's okay to make your own kid destroy his console while [I]you record it[/I][/QUOTE]
[quote]I weren't specifically talking about recording it on camera[/quote]
I wouldn't do that myself, it's overkill. Even if I am for harsh methods of "education", humilation is retarded and borderline bullying your own kid.
I don't get it
He's got two xboxes in the video, a slim on the left and the remains of an original phat console on the right
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47740953]If it was real then it's bad parenting imo[/QUOTE]
teaching a child that their actions have consequences is not bad parenting. if the kid was fucking off all year playing xbox instead of working on school then its his fault. the kid needs to learn what responsibility is. Recording him doing it on the otherhand was not needed
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