[QUOTE][B]Forecourt sales of petrol have plunged by more than 20% in five years, the AA has said. [/B]The motoring organisation said official government figures showed 17 billion litres were sold last year compared to 22 billion in 2007.
The AA said rising prices and greater use of smaller and diesel vehicles had contributed to the fall in consumption.
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Notable comment:[/B]
[quote]"Better Engines = Less petrol sold = Less Profit = Price Rise
Better Boilers = Less gas sold = Less Profit = Price Rise
Better Bulbs = Less electricity sold = Less Profit = Price Rise
I think I’ve spotted a pattern here." - [B]SausageSandwich[/B]​[/quote][/QUOTE]
Source: [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22035949[/URL]
Makes sense, most people buy small engined diesel cars now to save money
[QUOTE=matt.ant;40180830]Makes sense, most people buy small engined diesel cars now to save money[/QUOTE]
Buying a new car isnt really "saving money"
[QUOTE=matt.ant;40180830]Makes sense, most people buy small engined diesel cars now to save money[/QUOTE]
What's the difference in mileage out of interest?
I have a small engined petrol car (a Suzuki Swift GLS) and get about 70-80 miles out of £10 worth of fuel when doing regular short trips or about 370miles on a full tank (around £36) for a long journey.
[editline]6th April 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeneros;40180849]Buying a new car isnt really "saving money"[/QUOTE]
I imagine he meant people who were buying a car regardless are considering getting diesel ones for better mileage.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;40180851]What's the difference in mileage out of interest?[/quote]
The old Renault Clio did 45 mpg, the new one just released does 83.3 on the same size engine (1.5 diesel)
On the basis that you should do at least 12,000 miles a year for a diesel engine to be worth while, you would save around £700 a year in fuel, plus about £100 you would save in tax when all the bands get shifted around. This gives you a total of £800 saved a year on a new car, but it's different depending on what you're upgrading from and to.
[QUOTE=Zeneros;40180849]Buying a new car isnt really "saving money"[/QUOTE]
I never said a new car?
[QUOTE=Zeneros;40180849]Buying a new car isnt really "saving money"[/QUOTE]
It does in the long run if operating costs are lower.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40181094]It does in the long run if operating costs are lower.[/QUOTE]
But you'd have to run the car for a very long time, with VERY little depreciation on the car to actually see any benefits of switching to diesel considering the initial outlay, especially given the higher purchase price of diesel in the UK.
So many people are short sighted and think buying a diesel in the answer to the short runs around town because they see 60mpg in the brochure, in reality it won't ever achieve that around town and the person is actually out of pocket if you sit down and work out the cost as a whole. But it's OK because their car only costs £20 a year to tax.
Me? I bought a 300bhp thirsty 20 year old car because they are dirt cheap at the minute thanks to these people.
I like how I could pick up a large barge of a dinosaur Turbodiesel car, tinker & fix a bit with the engine and receive almost the same mileage as the brand new equivalent :v:
[QUOTE=sam.clarke;40181193]But you'd have to run the car for a very long time, with VERY little depreciation on the car to actually see any benefits of switching to diesel considering the initial outlay, especially given the higher purchase price of diesel in the UK.
So many people are short sighted and think buying a diesel in the answer to the short runs around town because they see 60mpg in the brochure, in reality it won't ever achieve that around town and the person is actually out of pocket if you sit down and work out the cost as a whole. But it's OK because their car only costs £20 a year to tax.
Me? I bought a 300bhp thirsty 20 year old car because they are dirt cheap at the minute thanks to these people.[/QUOTE]
It is cheaper for second hand cars, I worked it out when my dad was looking at Mondeos as the 2.0 litre petrols were a few hundred less to buy than the 2.0 litre diesels
Petrol: 36mpg
Tax: £280
10,000 miles at £1.36 a litre: £1,700 (approx)
[b]£1,980 per year[/b]
Diesel: 47mpg
Tax: £175
10,000 miles at £1.45 a litre: £1,450 (approx)
[b]£1,525 per year[/b]
[QUOTE=butt2089;40180920]The old Renault Clio did 45 mpg, the new one just released does 83.3 on the same size engine (1.5 diesel)
On the basis that you should do at least 12,000 miles a year for a diesel engine to be worth while, you would save around £700 a year in fuel, plus about £100 you would save in tax when all the bands get shifted around. This gives you a total of £800 saved a year on a new car, but it's different depending on what you're upgrading from and to.[/QUOTE]
Wow thats really good.
Would be cheaper if you bought an Electric car:
Environment safe
Electric Chargers we could charge our selfs
Or go back into the old age and ride Elephants only have to feed them :v:
I remember about six years ago, my dad was complaining about fuel prices reaching 99p/litre. Now they're something like £1.45/litre around where I live.
I can understand why there's less sales on the pumps.
[QUOTE=RetTurtl3;40181586]Would be cheaper if you bought an Electric car:
Environment safe
Electric Chargers we could charge our selfs
Or go back into the old age and ride Elephants only have to feed them :v:[/QUOTE]
Except for the part where electric cars are prohibitively expensive and have little to no support in the UK so you're just moving the costs onto your electricity bill.
[QUOTE=RetTurtl3;40181586]Would be cheaper if you bought an Electric car:
Environment safe
Electric Chargers we could charge our selfs
Or go back into the old age and ride Elephants only have to feed them :v:[/QUOTE]
Big problem would be no chargers whatsoever in my town or maybe even the next few aswell, and elephants would require you to have a shovel to clear the road of their waste...
And maybe someone else with a shovel aswell to help.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40181650]Except for the part where electric cars are prohibitively expensive and have little to no support in the UK so you're just moving the costs onto your electricity bill.[/QUOTE]
At least they are getting more economical to use.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40181826]At least they are getting more economical to use.[/QUOTE]
The UK has a lot of potential for electric cars. It's a small and very densely populated country, so potentially we could get good coverage of rapid charging stations. We're not there yet, but, in the future we might be.
[QUOTE=RetTurtl3;40181586]Would be cheaper if you bought an Electric car:
Environment safe
Electric Chargers we could charge our selfs
Or go back into the old age and ride Elephants only have to feed them :v:[/QUOTE]
Except the Nissan Leaf starts at £25,000 whereas most petrol cars start at £10,000
[editline]6th April 2013[/editline]
Just had a look at the gov.uk statistics, the number of registered cars rose 0.4% between 2010 and 2011, and for the first time over 50% of new cars sold were diesel
Interesting. I wonder if diesel cars would take on over here in the 'States if our diesel prices dropped enough for it to be worthwhile.
Currently, with diesel being about a dollar a gallon more expensive, you simply cannot break even on a diesel car. Even a VW Polo BlueMotion won't cut it, you'd have to keep the thing for 40+ years and over half a million miles just to recoup the price difference between it and...say...a Honda Fit.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40181826]At least they are getting more economical to use.[/QUOTE]
And they're still not practical. Or green. The batteries make a huge mess in the manufacture and disposal sides of things, and unless your power station is nuclear or hydro-electric they're still spewing assloads of greenhouse gases everywhere. They're just doing it at the power station instead of the tailpipe.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;40181651]Electric cars aren't ready yet, we need a completely new battery technology to make them viable.[/QUOTE]
Graphene Supercapacitors.
I wonder how the oil companies will maintain their stranglehold once sales start dropping significantly
The problem is it's a repeating cycle.
Price rise > People get smaller car that is more fuel efficient > People buy less fuel > Prices rise to offset losses > Repeat.
[QUOTE=Ereunity;40188837]The problem is it's a repeating cycle.
Price rise > People get smaller car that is more fuel efficient > People buy less fuel > Prices rise to offset losses > Repeat.[/QUOTE]
Why would prices rise when demand lowers? If supply were to remain stable, then prices would actually lower. Or they would scale back production.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40188882]Why would prices rise when demand lowers? If supply were to remain stable, then prices would actually lower. Or they would scale back production.[/QUOTE]
Oil production is already scaled back to keep prices high.
Take Cigarettes for example. Less and less people are smoking them, the duty on them is increasing and the price is increasing too. So people smoke smaller packets/less and that in turn pushes the prices up further.
Prices are not always driven by supply vs demand, there are always exceptions.
[QUOTE=Ereunity;40188945]Oil production is already scaled back to keep prices high.
Take Cigarettes for example. Less and less people are smoking them, the duty on them is increasing and the price is increasing too. So people smoke smaller packets/less and that in turn pushes the prices up further.
Prices are not always driven by supply vs demand, there are always exceptions.[/QUOTE]
Why is why I also said they could scale back production.
Diesel more expensive than petrol? I'll never understand what's the logic behind all this, here it's cheaper. It used to be dirt cheap like 3 or 4 years ago, now prices are catching up but still lower.
[QUOTE=Bliblixe;40189428]Diesel more expensive than petrol? I'll never understand what's the logic behind all this, here it's cheaper. It used to be dirt cheap like 3 or 4 years ago, now prices are catching up but still lower.[/QUOTE]
Diesel is more expensive here (in the UK) due to tax from what I understand. Its silly as the manufacturing process is pretty much the same as petrol.
I don't really understand. If sales are falling, why raise the price of gasoline more? That is just part of the problem and will simply cause more people to move against it. They're unhappy as it is with the high costs so raising them more won't fix your problem but make it worse. Sometimes you must take the hit and take lower profits by maintaining or lowering prices in order to maintain or increase sales. Otherwise you'll simply continue to contribute to the problem.
[QUOTE=Zareox7;40190412]I don't really understand. If sales are falling, why raise the price of gasoline more? That is just part of the problem and will simply cause more people to move against it. They're unhappy as it is with the high costs so raising them more won't fix your problem but make it worse. Sometimes you must take the hit and take lower profits by maintaining or lowering prices in order to maintain or increase sales. Otherwise you'll simply continue to contribute to the problem.[/QUOTE]
Because it's a crucial product, something people will buy regardless like power or water or milk.
[QUOTE=Bliblixe;40189428]Diesel more expensive than petrol? I'll never understand what's the logic behind all this, here it's cheaper. It used to be dirt cheap like 3 or 4 years ago, now prices are catching up but still lower.[/QUOTE]
In the US diesel fuel is much more expensive than conventional gasoline/petrol because of the major road tax applied to it as another way to tax the trucking business afaik because they pollute alot since they have gigantic turbochargers combined with >14 litres of displacement.
This is what I've heard, all I know is that the price is like 60% road tax and it should be cheaper than petrol since it is much easier to make afaik
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