RT because [B]NOT A SINGLE WESTERN MEDIA YET REPORTED IT[/B]
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eptRqRq6Upc[/media]
At least five people are reported killed after an explosion in Lugansk administration building. The blast came as Kiev deployed fighter jets to the city in eastern Ukraine. This and heavy gunfire on the ground caused panic among civilians.
The death toll was first reported by RIA Novosti; later it was confirmed by local self-defense forces, who said the blast was caused by the army's fighter jets striking the building.
“Ukraine’s air force struck Lugansk downtown at 16.00 pm. Military aircraft made a targeted strike, deploying cluster bombs. The administration building is partially destroyed,” the government of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LNR) said.
Many wounded were trapped inside the administration headquarters, which caught on fire. About six ambulance vehicles have arrived at the site. The death toll may rise.
Those killed - three women and two men - are all civilians, witnesses told RT. One of them was the LNR’s health minister, Natalia Arkhipova. During the air-strike, she was talking to another woman on the administration building’s steps, the self-proclaimed republic’s premier, Vasiliy Nikitin, said.
Large blood stains inside the HQ could be seen on live-streaming video from the area, with pieces of glass and stones also visible on the floor. The camera operator was choking with smoke. On the outside, many windows are shattered, shell fragments covering the nearby area and dark plumes of smoke are coming from the fourth floor.
Kiev denies air strike on admin building
Kiev, however, denied attacking the HQ, insisting that its forces are not firing on residential areas in the cities, and do not use air power in those areas, reports the Ukrainian news agency UNN.
The Ukrainian authorities sent its air force to Lugansk to support border guard units stationed in the area, said Vladislav Seleznyov, the spokesman for the military operation against the pro-autonomy protesters in eastern Ukraine.
The fighter jets eliminated two opposition mortar detachments, he told a media briefing.
Seleznyoov added that according to preliminary experts’ conclusions, the explosion resulted from an attempt to launch some anti-aircraft missile.
”Fighter jets could become vulnerable while making turns," he said. “Perhaps, terrorists were trying to shoot them down from some air defense system, but the explosion occurred inside the building.
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I suggest read a whole thing here
[url]http://rt.com/news/163076-ukraine-lugansk-clashes-jet/[/url]
There is expecially bullshit ukrainian goverment backed theory about heat signal of self-defence rocket attaching to conditioner, when [B]there is none[/B]
[img]https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpp.vk.me%2Fc620624%2Fv620624918%2F8f9e%2FhKHLJ2zgHyQ.jpg&t=540&c=WOZ_CmxfwF7SEg[/img]
[B]HIGLY NSFW[/B]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLVsP4M6ITU&list=PLmyeYXPoJZYpoojX_GF19WF7BJ2IdAgED[/url]
Well, this is concerning. This had better not turn into another bloody Syria.
RT article, take with a planet of salt like usual.
This could very easily have been a false flag attack, not the first time.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;44981729]Well, this is concerning. This had better not turn into another bloody Syria.[/QUOTE]
what is more concerning is how there is no coverage of event in western media yet. Taking a pause for what?
The rocket appears to have been launched by an Su-25 Frogfoot attack jet, which is operated by both Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine used some recently to take back the captured airport a week or so ago.
[QUOTE=Crimor;44981743]RT article, take with a planet of salt like usual.
This could very easily have been a false flag attack, not the first time.[/QUOTE]
How about you actually watch videos in article first and read first sentance i wrote in thread?
There's a woman in a red shirt in videos 3&4 from the youtube link in the source who is alive and speaking in the third but has passed away by the time the fourth video starts in the same place.
I don't know why I watched it, but that hit me hard.
Or how about I follow twitter live and stay clear from RT, and get much better reports from people actually on the ground, not something the Kremlin allowed to be put out.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44981803]Or how about I follow twitter live and stay clear from RT, and get much better reports from people actually on the ground, not something the Kremlin allowed to be put out.[/QUOTE]
Like i said before, please read first sentance in thread. if you have other coverage [B]PLEASE[/B] provide rather then go about "boo hoo RT".
[QUOTE=karimatrix;44981828]Like i said before, please read first sentance in thread. if you have other coverage [B]PLEASE[/B] provide rather then go about "boo hoo RT".[/QUOTE]
You can't deny that a news source that is run by a government who would stand to benefit from the destabilization of the Ukrainian government should be considered highly suspect.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;44981828]Like i said before, please read first sentance in thread. if you have other coverage [B]PLEASE[/B] provide rather then go about "boo hoo RT".[/QUOTE]
Even if the source is RT, that doesn't justify proclaiming an extremely biased view of a controversial and very recent event.
Fuck, just look at the title. You're reaching the sensationalist event horizon right there.
It must of been a russian spy plane firing off a GPM rocket.
Between, why do you think RT already broadcasted the news? Because they knew it was going to happen and they wanted to be able to post it in time to prove they look like some legit source, this is flimsy, it must of been someone from that other side, we don't even know if that video above is really from the area or not.
Sure seems to be dropping flares regularily. Is there any proof the rebels have anti-aircraft weapons? An SU-25 would alert the pilot to a lock on.
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[QUOTE=Zambies!;44981884]Sure seems to be dropping flares regularily. Is there any proof the rebels have anti-aircraft weapons? An SU-25 would alert the pilot to a lock on.[/QUOTE]
It was confirmed the other week that some of the self-proclaimed "revolutionaries" have MANPAD capabilities.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;44981884]Sure seems to be dropping flares regularily. Is there any proof the rebels have anti-aircraft weapons? An SU-25 would alert the pilot to a lock on.[/QUOTE]
Dropping flares at regular intervals is a standard procedure for a military plane while approaching the target at low attitudes. They do it even there's no apparent threat.
And yeah, rebels do have AA, considering how multiple helicopters have been taken out of the sky during this whole affair.
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[QUOTE=Zambies!;44981884]Sure seems to be dropping flares regularily. Is there any proof the rebels have anti-aircraft weapons? An SU-25 would alert the pilot to a lock on.[/QUOTE]
Well, they did shoot down a helicopter and killed about a dozen people last Thursday. The Ukrainian military stated that the system used by the rebels was Russian-made; maybe, maybe not, but they still have the capability to take down aircraft.
I'll take this into consideration for now. HOWEVER: That is not a clusterbomb and the damage is pinpoint. Why Lungansk though? Doesn't Dontesk have the major HQ and C3 center?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;44981628][B]NOT A SINGLE WESTERN MEDIA YET REPORTED IT[/B]
There is expecially bullshit ukrainian goverment backed theory about heat signal of self-defence rocket attaching to conditioner, when [B]there is none[/B] [/QUOTE]
Just saying, but there is one on the side of the building, and to be honest, if it was a rocket from a Ukrainian Airforce jet, I'd expect to see a lot more damage on the road. Whatever hit the road was a pretty small, shrapnel filled explosion - which makes the Ukrainian theory about a 'self defence' heat seeking anti-aircraft rocket plausible.
One thing is certain, the Lugansk People’s Republic claiming it was an airforce clusterbomb are a complete fabrication. You only need to look at the CCTV to see that. Maybe the reason that western media isn't reporting this is because it isn't actually very interesting? If the Ukrainians bombed it, it would have flattened the front of the building, or torn up the road. I think the theory about it being an errant Strela/Igla are probably correct.
Oh dear karimatrix, your bias is showing.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;44981628][B]NOT A SINGLE WESTERN MEDIA YET REPORTED IT[/B][/QUOTE]
saying this just sets off my bullshit detector
Yeah a Russian ain't the person to bitch about what the Ukrainians are doing against russian-backed terrorists, considering the shit you guys did against the Chechens
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;44981972]Yeah a Russian ain't the person to bitch about what the Ukrainians are doing against russian-backed terrorists, considering the shit you guys did against the Chechens[/QUOTE]
Although I agree you do have to take it into consideration though.
This is dodgy as fuck, surely cluster bombs would cause a fuck ton more damage.
[QUOTE=Cheshire_cat;44981939]Well, they did shoot down a helicopter and killed about a dozen people last Thursday. The Ukrainian military stated that the anti-aircraft system used by the rebels was Russian-made; maybe, maybe not, but they still have the capability.[/QUOTE]
They're pretty obviously Russian-made. Both sides of conflict are armed with Russian tech. The rebels could've acquired Russian AA complexes (both handheld and stationary) both by being supplied by Russian military and by looting the military posts. Plus there were multiple Ukrainian military columns attacked in there AFAIK.
What's troubling is the fact that AA complexes mostly have IFF installed. Depends on a given complex, but it would take some tinkering with the system to fire Ukrainian AA rocket at Ukrainian plane/helicopter.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;44981991]This is dodgy as fuck, surely cluster bombs would cause a fuck ton of more damage.[/QUOTE]
I don't know many clusterbombs that drop one bomblet at a time.
Sounds like it kind of defeats the point.
i dont even know what the fuck is going on now with this whole situation
[QUOTE=Scot;44982024]i dont even know what the fuck is going on now with this whole situation[/QUOTE]
The amounts of bullshit over this disaster has reached critical levels some time in last few weeks. I even dropped the article I was doing on media coverage of this conflict in development. In the beginning it was looking to become something very big and interesting, but lately it became just me going through the vast smelly pools of bullshit.
So if they proclaim themselves a people's republic, Russia really doesn't want more of a shit storm, Ukraine wants them back. Are they hoping to eventually get recognition or forever be Abkhazia?
Those videos of the aftermath with the guy running around weeping and panicking are absolutely terrible.
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