Pickens County Sheriff refuses to lower flag for Nelson Mandela - Polidicks

[img]http://wcsc.images.worldnow.com/images/24157747_BG1.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.live5news.com/story/24157747/pickens-co-sheriff-refuses-to-lower-flag-for-nelson-mandela?hpt=us_bn8[/url] [quote]PICKENS COUNTY, SC (WCSC) - A South Carolina sheriff said he would not lower his department's flag for Nelson Mandela citing that the former South African president was not an American. "Nelson Mandela did great things for his country and was a brave man [B]but he was not an AMERICAN!!![/B]" wrote Pickens County Sheriff Rick Clark on a Facebook post. President Barack Obama ordered American flags to be lowered half staff until Monday in tribute to Mandela, who died on Thursday.[/quote]

He shouldn't have to.

-nvm- Ah fuck, you guys quoted just a minute afterwards, have to live with it now.

[QUOTE=lolo;43116660]If he's not American, he's not human. See it right here folks.[/QUOTE] No? Lowering a flag to half mast is usually for national tragedies. Seeing how Nelson Mandella is not an American, there's no reason to. It's not like when the london subway bombings happened or the 2011 Norway attacks.

You have presidential orders. You really think it's wise to Insubordinate the guy?

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43116681]No? Lowering a flag to half mast is usually for national tragedies. Seeing how Nelson Mandella is not an American, there's no reason to. It's not like when the london subway bombings happened or the 2011 Norway attacks.[/QUOTE] It happened when Churchill died, and again in 2005 when Pope John Paul II died.

[QUOTE=pentium;43116687]You have presidential orders. You really think it's wise to Insubordinate the guy?[/QUOTE] States and Federal powers have always been neck and neck. Especially a state like SC

-slippery slope-

[QUOTE=pentium;43116687]You have presidential orders. You really think it's wise to Insubordinate the guy?[/QUOTE] Ja mein Fuhrer

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43116704]It happened when Churchill died, and again in 2005 when Pope John Paul II died.[/QUOTE] Obama's been kind of half mast happy. He lowered the flags to half mast when Whitney Houston died.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43116738]Ja mein Fuhrer[/QUOTE] Don't be fucking ridiculous. He's been told to lower a fucking flag, not gas minorities for fuck's sake. To full of 'MURRICAN PRIDE to show some fucking respect to one of the most influential men in the past 50 years?

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43116744]Obama's been kind of half mast happy. He lowered the flags to half mast when Whitney Houston died.[/QUOTE] My mistake, on further reference, this was the NJ governor, not the President. [editline]8th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43116768]Don't be fucking ridiculous. He's been told to lower a fucking flag, not gas minorities for fuck's sake. To full of 'MURRICAN PRIDE to show some fucking respect to one of the most influential men in the past 50 years?[/QUOTE] Twenty years*

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43116768]Don't be fucking ridiculous. He's been told to lower a fucking flag, not gas minorities for fuck's sake. To full of 'MURRICAN PRIDE to show some fucking respect to one of the most influential men in the past 50 years?[/QUOTE] Well, he's not really NOT showing him respect since he did say he was a great man that did great things for his own country but since half-mast is usually for national deaths and tragedies, he does have some point.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43116778] Twenty years*[/QUOTE] He had influence long before he was released from prison.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43116681]No? Lowering a flag to half mast is usually for national tragedies. Seeing how Nelson Mandella is not an American, there's no reason to. It's not like when the london subway bombings happened or the 2011 Norway attacks.[/QUOTE] Wow, a bit random but it actully warms my heart the thing you said about the Norway attacks(Im Norwegian and know people who were at the Island it all happened). Did other countries that far away lower their flags for us then?

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43116768] He's been told to lower a fucking flag, not gas minorities for fuck's sake.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole[/url]

[QUOTE=oytal;43116827]Wow, a bit random but it actully warms my heart the thing you said about the Norway attacks(Im Norwegian and know people who were at the Island it all happened). Did other countries that far away lower their flags for us then?[/QUOTE] I don't recall seeing the flags lowered for that incident, but that could be because they lower the flags so often nowadays that I hardly notice. Towns lower their flags all the time when someone local gets killed overseas. We've been fighting for over a decade, so it's kind of lost its effect.

How about he gives a fuck about the rest of the world, and have pride that america is being respectful to an internationally influential person. Especially as the US was home to bad racial segregation itself.

In germany we lowered our flags back when the planes hit the towers as a sign of sympathy. And it seems Obama thinks lowering flags as a sign of sympathy is ok.

[QUOTE=oytal;43116827]Wow, a bit random but it actully warms my heart the thing you said about the Norway attacks(Im Norwegian and know people who were at the Island it all happened). Did other countries that far away lower their flags for us then?[/QUOTE] I remember reading of it happening in the local news, so yes at least in California. The tragedy pretty widely broadcast, if I recall correctly.

The article itself does say honor's been given to a foreign leader before this way, so I don't see what he's really complaining about. So what if he's not American? Does that make lowering the flag to pay respect to a great man wrong somehow?

He probably didn't even think twice about not lowering the flag, since Mandela isn't an American to begin with. It's not like he harbors a personal vendetta against him, he admires him. What a shit storm over nothing.

[QUOTE=oytal;43116827]Wow, a bit random but it actully warms my heart the thing you said about the Norway attacks(Im Norwegian and know people who were at the Island it all happened). Did other countries that far away lower their flags for us then?[/QUOTE] I don't know about other places, but every police and fire station flag I saw was half-mast the day after the attacks.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43116877][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah sure. But comparing being told to lower a flag to getting orders from fucking Hitler is fucking ridiculous. He's being told to honour a respected world leader. I swear you Americans and your fucking flag, you treat it like a holy artefact.

Okay okay, lowering flags is kinda dumb I guess. But not lowering a flag [I]because[/I] someone wasn't from some specific geographical location is even dumber. [editline]8th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43117361]Yeah sure. But comparing being told to lower a flag to getting orders from fucking Hitler is fucking ridiculous. He's being told to honour a respected world leader. I swear you Americans and your fucking flag, you treat it like a holy artefact.[/QUOTE] I personally use a box of tissues with the american flag printed on for when I masturbate.

this idiot needs to grow up. so what if he wasn't an american?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43117428]this idiot needs to grow up. so what if he wasn't an american?[/QUOTE] He was inside the wrong collection of arbitrary irregular lines drawn on a piece of paper.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;43117388]I personally use a box of tissues with the american flag printed on for when I masturbate.[/QUOTE] Was it really necessary to post that?

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43116710]States and Federal powers have always been neck and neck. Especially a state like SC[/QUOTE] No they haven't. State subordination to federal powers has been legally enforced since Jackson, then reinforced legally by Lincoln: [quote]Having never been States either in substance or in name outside of the Union, whence this magical omnipotence of "State rights," asserting a claim of power to lawfully destroy the Union itself? Much is said about the "sovereignty" of the States; but the word even is not in the national Constitution, nor, as is believed, in any of the State constitutions. What is "sovereignty" in the political sense of the term? Would it be far wrong to define it as "a political community without a political superior?" Tested by this, no one of our States except Texas ever was a sovereignty. And even Texas gave up the character on coming into the Union; by which act she acknowledged the Constitution of the United States, and the laws and treaties of the United States made in pursuance of the Constitution, to be for her the supreme law of the land. The States have their status in the Union, and they have no other legal status. If they break from this, they can only do so against law and by revolution. The Union, and not themselves separately, procured their independence and their liberty. By conquest or purchase the Union gave each of them whatever of independence or liberty it has. The Union is older than any of the States, and, in fact, it created them as States.[/quote] In [I]United States v. Darby Lumber Co.[/I] (1941) and [I]Garcia v. San Antonio Metropolitan Transit Authority[/I] (1985) the SCOTUS practically affirms in full the states' subservience to the federal government in all decisions under the commerce clause. At times states have been granted and removed from them their abilities and dual federalism has come and gone and come and gone again, but the fact of the matter is that the states' "rights" come with the will of the federal government, and that's not really and rights at all. "Neck and neck" implies that there was really ever any contest to begin with, but for the last 70+ years dual federalism has been dead by commerce clause.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43117477]Was it really necessary to post that?[/QUOTE] was it really necessary to post at all? deep