T-Mobile Really Doesn't Like It When You Call Binge On's Video Quality Throttling What It Is (spoile - Polidicks

[url]http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/12/30/t-mobile-really-doesnt-like-it-when-you-call-binge-ons-video-quality-throttling-what-it-is-which-is-throttling/[/url] [quote=David Ruddock/Android Police]Listen, I don't really have a problem with Binge On itself - it's a pretty nifty value-add for T-Mobile customers that allows them to throttle all their video streamed over mobile data to 480p, in exchange for some of that video (Binge On partner services, like Netflix, but notably not YouTube) not counting against their plan's data cap. I consider this a "pretty fair deal." In exchange for reducing the burden of video bandwidth on T-Mobile's network, you get to stream all the [partnered] OK-quality video you want. It's nice! But T-Mobile has come under fire - and I think rightly so - for the fact that Binge On is an opt-out service that does not explicitly disclose to subscribers just what they've automatically signed up for. Namely, throttling the quality of video streamed over T-Mobile's data network.[/quote]

Title II doesn't mean shit then huh

What I can tell you is these plans the ISP had was supposed to work, If the Net Netrality was temporary nulled during the spending bill. But it wasn't.

I think the real issue is that there are still poor, unfortunate souls who use T-mobile.

[QUOTE=Cock Boner;49424709]I think the real issue is that there are still poor, unfortunate souls who use T-mobile.[/QUOTE] spotify not counting against mobile data caps is incentive for me to stick with t mobile. i've used 1.6gb streaming spotify alone this cycle

[QUOTE=hijacker;49423828]Title II doesn't mean shit then huh[/QUOTE] This is cellular data, Title II applies to ISP's providing internet services. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49424924]This is cellular data, Title II applies to ISP's providing internet services. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE] AFAIK T-Mobile is a common carrier, meaning Net Neutrality applies to them. Not much news on this that isn't sensationalist, according to[URL="https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/TMobile-Were-Not-Throttling-YouTube-Were-Optimizing-It-135973"] DSLreports[/URL]: [quote=DSLReports]Given the FCC is casually sending out letters to all ISPs engaged in such zero rated efforts, we'll likely have to wait well into 2016 before we get to see whether or not the FCC buys T-Mobile justifications.[/quote] IIRC FCC's Net Neutrality doesn't explicitly forbid zero- rated services, FCC will probably hear proposals on it in the future, since it has the potential to be abused in various ways.

[QUOTE=Cock Boner;49424709]I think the real issue is that there are still poor, unfortunate souls who use T-mobile.[/QUOTE] Oh poor me with my 100mbps down and 30mbps up LTE, unlimited data of which I've used over 225GB in a month before. Coming all in at $200 and change for 6 lines. Good luck having any other carrier and paying less than $1000 if you ever even attempted or accidentally used 50gb of data on a single line. There's far more coverage here with T-Mobile than Sprint and AT&T/Verizon maybe get 30mbps on a good day. Sprint didn't get more than a single LTE tower here(350k+ people area) until early 2015 and even then they couldn't handle 10mbps. Binge-On however is garbage and on T-Mobile's website the options to turn it off is conveniently "unavailable". Calling them up or going into a store to get it turned off is fairly painless though and it is an opt-out service at least. Before I turned it off I couldn't watch about half of the videos on youtube over 144p/240p at all which is actually something I've never experienced before outside of rural areas back in 2010 that had Edge.

T-mobile's defense to the net neutrality thing is that its basically free to jump into the system. you don't pay money to get priority bandwith, the company just has to opt into the system to get no data cap it's still bs tho. [QUOTE=Cock Boner;49424709]I think the real issue is that there are still poor, unfortunate souls who use T-mobile.[/QUOTE] only reason i haven't moved to project fi yet is because data caps don't count twoards google play (minor reason as i save most of my music anyway) and i can't afford a nexus 6p (big reason)

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49425424]I pay $30 a month for an iPhone 5s on Virgin Mobile with unlimited minutes, data (w/ 2.5gb throttle point), texting, and unlimited music streaming that doesn't come out of my data. Sure I have to pay $500-600 every two years for a new top of the line phone but that's just a fraction of the money I'm saving from one of the big contract carriers. I don't understand why consumers pick Verizon and AT&T. They're a little easier and make it simple to get a new phone every two years to renew but they're SO expensive. I tried switching to AT&T once and the monthly fees alone were more than my entire bill with Virgin.[/QUOTE] Some consumers live in the middle of nowhere, where T-Mobile service is non-existent. Or T-Mobile LTE is no where to be found and their 3G is slow as shit. Verizon just works more or less everywhere. If you are mainly in a city where T-Mobile LTE is everywhere and strong, awesome. If not, then you have less options and Verizon is just one of them.

T-mobile has a way around the no service problem if you have a internet connection at your house. they have a cellspot you plug into your internet and it broadcasts 4gLTE and GPS in a close range (they say 3000 sq ft) free for any t-mobile subscriber.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49425502]If you have internet at your house? Who doesn't? Are the Amish buying phones now? :v:[/QUOTE] you'd be surprised in the south. alot of rednecks either think internet is useless, can't get it, or go to a cafe to use it. some people just get mobile hotspots and call it a day

Tmobile also has free WiFi calling. So a hotpot isn't even necessary.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;49426183]Using area to define signal range? That's a metric inflation tactic I haven't seen before.[/QUOTE] Welcome to literally any wi-fi router or range extender.

[QUOTE=Cock Boner;49424709]I think the real issue is that there are still poor, unfortunate souls who use T-mobile.[/QUOTE] t-mobile is decidedly better than any of the other major phone carriers. their only weak spot is their limited 4G coverage across the country, but where it is active it is absolutely leagues above the every other carrier

Maybe if carriers just gave us affordable unlimited data instead of fucking us this shit wouldn't be an issue.

It wouldn't be so bad if it was properly throttled to 480p. VZW is definitely a much naughtier carrier that people should complain about, for instance for any website you visit VZW sends an account-specific header that allows anyone to track you regardless of cookies.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49425424]I pay $30 a month for an iPhone 5s on Virgin Mobile with unlimited minutes, data (w/ 2.5gb throttle point), texting, and unlimited music streaming that doesn't come out of my data. Sure I have to pay $500-600 every two years for a new top of the line phone but that's just a fraction of the money I'm saving from one of the big contract carriers. I don't understand why consumers pick Verizon and AT&T. They're a little easier and make it simple to get a new phone every two years to renew but they're SO expensive. I tried switching to AT&T once and the monthly fees alone were more than my entire bill with Virgin.[/QUOTE] Unlimited music streaming!? I'm on Virgin Mobile for $35 a month and my music streaming is tied to my data; I use up all my data and I get throttled slowing down the music that gets played.

My family still uses the same plan we signed up with back in 2005 or so. Unlimited data, unlimited text, 1000 minutes, 60 bucks a month for the main line and 10 bucks for extra lines (it's just myself and my mom on it now). T-mobile tries so fucking hard to get us to change plans because obviously it's the best fucking deal in the entire world. Gotta love old contracts. I tethered my phone to my computer for almost a year for internet, would use hundreds of gigs a month, laughed all the way to the bank.

[QUOTE=elitehakor;49424765]spotify not counting against mobile data caps is incentive for me to stick with t mobile. i've used 1.6gb streaming spotify alone this cycle[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/yMDhzn8.png[/t] not a bad effort

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;49433455]My family still uses the same plan we signed up with back in 2005 or so. Unlimited data, unlimited text, 1000 minutes, 60 bucks a month for the main line and 10 bucks for extra lines (it's just myself and my mom on it now). T-mobile tries so fucking hard to get us to change plans because obviously it's the best fucking deal in the entire world. Gotta love old contracts. I tethered my phone to my computer for almost a year for internet, would use hundreds of gigs a month, laughed all the way to the bank.[/QUOTE] It wouldn't be illegal for them to force you to another plan, so I'd be careful with abusing it.

[QUOTE=elitehakor;49424765]spotify not counting against mobile data caps is incentive for me to stick with t mobile. i've used 1.6gb streaming spotify alone this cycle[/QUOTE] ugh here we go. The start of it - "here's a list of services that don't count towards your data cap!! All of them are existing now so don't worry about other services you might want to switch to in future :~)" [editline]2nd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=redBadger;49427464]Maybe if carriers just gave us affordable unlimited data instead of fucking us this shit wouldn't be an issue.[/QUOTE] It's quite a big technical challenge. Imagine a large residential building in New York, housing 100 families. Imagine if they all had truly unlimited data, and didn't pay for an ISP - we could have 50 people streaming Netflix at once. That requires quite a bit of bandwidth that current cell towers are not equipped to handle

Fuck data caps. I used over 100 gigabytes last month because the 4g is way better than my wifi and I can stream twitch on it. Unlimited plan so nice.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;49433455]My family still uses the same plan we signed up with back in 2005 or so. Unlimited data, unlimited text, 1000 minutes, 60 bucks a month for the main line and 10 bucks for extra lines (it's just myself and my mom on it now). T-mobile tries so fucking hard to get us to change plans because obviously it's the best fucking deal in the entire world. Gotta love old contracts. I tethered my phone to my computer for almost a year for internet, would use hundreds of gigs a month, laughed all the way to the bank.[/QUOTE] My family got 3 Verizon prepaid plans at $15/mo back when you had to call in and enter your credit card every month to replenish the account (they were all StarTACs originally, couldn't get any data so we weren't allowed to buy even high-end feature phones). Kept it until last year when Verizon finally said enough's enough and got rid of the automated system so you had to call customer service, which we figured was kind of stupid. We had about $800 worth of rolled-over minutes since they never expired (something around 30 hours iirc).

[QUOTE=Map in a box;49434305]It wouldn't be illegal for them to force you to another plan, so I'd be careful with abusing it.[/QUOTE] I don't use it that much anymore, but they've begged and pleaded my mother to change the plan for years and she's refused every time. I figure they would have forced us to change to something else by now if they were able to. Remember, this contract was signed way back in the day, there's probably aspects to it protecting us that aren't put in modern contracts anymore. For example, I noticed T-Mobile throttling my data at a certain point, I called and raised hell because the contract didn't say they had the right to do that, it was before throttling was a thing. My sister (an attorney) called and threatened leagal action, they immediately stopped throttling. I'm sure something will change soon that will allow them to force us to stop using it, but for now we got them by the balls.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;49443860]My sister (an attorney) called and threatened leagal action, they immediately stopped throttling. I'm sure something will change soon that will allow them to force us to stop using it, but for now we got them by the balls.[/QUOTE] I don't know if the policy's changed since, but when I was an outsourced phone drone for T-Mobile, the policy if a customer threatened legal action was to cease all assistance over the phone and direct them to continue correspondence with the T-Mobile Legal Team. In written letters. Mainly because if a customer is threatening legal action, phone reps are not authorized to make legally-impacting decisions.

[QUOTE=Cock Boner;49424709]I think the real issue is that there are still poor, unfortunate souls who use T-mobile.[/QUOTE] T-mobile works great for me, nothing bad to say about it. 100mbps data isn't anything to sneeze at either. I've got unlimited data through them and opted out of this binge on bullshit anyways.