Conservatives, Lib Dems, and Labour all agree - Scotland will NOT get to keep the £ if they leave - Polidicks

UK Chancellor George Osborne has said a vote for Scottish independence would mean walking away from the pound. He said there was "no legal reason" why the rest of the UK would want to share sterling with an independent Scotland, as Scottish ministers have proposed. Mr Osborne was backed by Labour and the Liberal Democrats. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26166794[/url]

if we get independence i'm moving to england not even joking

From people living in scotland; what is your general consensus about this?

Well yeah, considering how England felt about the Euro.

be daft to leave now, without the strength of the pound their economy will most likely flop and steam games will have even worse currency conversation rates for them on the euro o no

thats ok, if we use the euro then i wont have to change my currency going on holiday to europe

Fuck yeah, I hope Scotland get their independence. I hate being English, this country is a shit-hole being run by corrupt elitist corporations, etc.

[QUOTE=Conna;43896737]Fuck yeah, I hope Scotland get their independence. I hate being English, this country is a shit-hole being run by corrupt elitist corporations, etc.[/QUOTE] And if you do leave, please abandon FPTP voting, adopt sensible drug policy and ensure your rights to privacy are guaranteed by severing ties with American Inteligence. Then I can move to somewhere that isn't Ireland. Seriously, their drinking rules are too complicated and atleast Scotland is nice if you avoid Glasgow.

Scottish plans that I've read seem to be summed up by "OUR OIL!" which isn't going to last too much longer. E: What happens to NATO? Defense also? England makes it clear they aren't paying for it.

[QUOTE=Kondor;43896449]if we get independence i'm moving to england not even joking[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Conna;43896737]Fuck yeah, I hope Scotland get their independence. I hate being English, this country is a shit-hole being run by corrupt elitist corporations, etc.[/QUOTE] This is a weird contrast. Are all scots this divided by this?

[QUOTE=mchapra;43896849]This is a weird contrast. Are all scots this divided by this?[/QUOTE] The guy who wants independence is Irish, based on what he said.

I have a question, what fucking difference does it make considering the Bank of Scotland already prints their own Pound Sterling as is, what's stopping them from simply pegging the Scottish Pound 1:1 to them British pound?

[QUOTE=Conna;43896737]Fuck yeah, I hope Scotland get their independence. I hate being English, this country is a shit-hole being run by corrupt elitist corporations, etc.[/QUOTE] Yeah you'd much prefer to be run by scottish corrupt elitist corporations. They're 100x better! [editline]13th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Broseph_;43896862]I have a question, what fucking difference does it make considering the Bank of Scotland already prints their own Pound Sterling as is, what's stopping them from simply pegging the Scottish Pound 1:1 to them British pound?[/QUOTE] Stability and inflation.

Seriously, the Irish kept the British Pound from 1921 until 1928, and the Irish pound was at parity with Pound Sterling from 1928 until 1979.

Most places in England don't even accept our money as is.

[QUOTE=dookster;43896912]Most places in England don't even accept our money as is.[/QUOTE] But most places in Scotland accept [I]ours.[/I]

The SNP just want power. They don't care about Scotland or the Scottish people. The proof just keep rolling in. If independence was good they would be able to leave with their own infrastructure without borrowing everything from the UK as it currently is As it stand they can't/won't and England will just buy Scotland like we did in the 1800's when their trade routes failed.

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;43896646]From people living in scotland; what is your general consensus about this?[/QUOTE] A big resounding "Meh", as far as I can see. It's obviously scare tactics, but we're not actually so invested in the Pound as the English are. If we need to adopt the Euro then, sure, okay. However, I suspect the English will backpedal on it should independence be assured, because part of the pound's strength naturally comes from Scotland's economic input into it as well. (And the third, unlikely option is that we keep using it just without any form of control over interest rates etc, since they can't actually prevent that) [editline]13th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Memobot;43897070]The SNP just want power. They don't care about Scotland or the Scottish people. The proof just keep rolling in. If independence was good they would be able to leave with their own infrastructure without borrowing everything from the UK as it currently is As it stand they can't/won't and England will just buy Scotland like we did in the 1800's when their trade routes failed.[/QUOTE] Yeah, no. Currency union would benefit both of us, because the pound is strong, and the strength stems from both countries input into the pound. Without us, the Pound is weakened. [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/2010UKElectionMap.svg[/url] That link there is the greatest argument from independence, and it's the one that pro-Independence people actually use (Instead of the "FUK ENGLAND LOL"/"Braveheart!!" shit that Better Together drones claim it is) - Self-determination. We are politically different to England but we cannot actually act on that. We are being undemocratically represented in the government that has superior control of Britain (to our own semi-devolved one) by a government we DID NOT elect.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;43896793]And if you do leave, please abandon FPTP voting, adopt sensible drug policy and ensure your rights to privacy are guaranteed by severing ties with American Inteligence. Then I can move to somewhere that isn't Ireland. Seriously, their drinking rules are too complicated and atleast Scotland is nice if you avoid Glasgow.[/QUOTE] Here, there's nothing wrong with Glasgow.

On the one hand, I don't want Scotland to leave because they add a good deal of liberalism to the UK (it seems to be one of the few places where 'left-wing' parties get a fairly large chunk of the vote, rather than the 'we used to be left-wing and now we're pretty much the Tories from 10 years ago' party and the 'let's not vote for these guys because nobody votes for these guys because nobody votes for these guys' party). However, on the other hand, I can't blame them for wanting to get away from our government completely; the Tories seem to act like the United Kingdom is just London and possible some fields maybe?

[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;43896646]From people living in scotland; what is your general consensus about this?[/QUOTE] We should stay in the union and continue with the devolved power that our MSP's already have. Full independence is not worth it.

You know the SNP was calling the Pound a toxic and unpredictable currency that was weighing Scotland down a few years ago, right? Then the Euro Crises happened.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;43897073]A big resounding "Meh", as far as I can see. It's obviously scare tactics, but we're not actually so invested in the Pound as the English are. If we need to adopt the Euro then, sure, okay. However, I suspect the English will backpedal on it should independence be assured, because part of the pound's strength naturally comes from Scotland's economic input into it as well. (And the third, unlikely option is that we keep using it just without any form of control over interest rates etc, since they can't actually prevent that) [editline]13th February 2014[/editline] Yeah, no. Currency union would benefit both of us, because the pound is strong, and the strength stems from both countries input into the pound. Without us, the Pound is weakened. [url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/2010UKElectionMap.svg[/url] That link there is the greatest argument from independence, and it's the one that pro-Independence people actually use (Instead of the "FUK ENGLAND LOL"/"Braveheart!!" shit that Better Together drones claim it is) - Self-determination. We are politically different to England but we cannot actually act on that. We are being undemocratically represented in the government that has superior control of Britain (to our own semi-devolved one) by a government we DID NOT elect.[/QUOTE] The problem is that if you have a currency union Scotland would have to tie its fiscal policy to the UK, and at that point how independent are you?

[QUOTE=dookster;43896912]Most places in England don't even accept our money as is.[/QUOTE] Legally, they have to.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;43896811]Scottish plans that I've read seem to be summed up by "OUR OIL!" which isn't going to last too much longer. E: What happens to NATO? Defense also? England makes it clear they aren't paying for it.[/QUOTE] The Scottish government wants to stay in NATO and maintain a small army with a defence budget of a few billion.

[QUOTE=Zambies!;43896811]Scottish plans that I've read seem to be summed up by "OUR OIL!" which isn't going to last too much longer. E: What happens to NATO? Defense also? England makes it clear they aren't paying for it.[/QUOTE] England is secretly going to provoke a border conflict and enact Article 5 to retake Scotland and Ireland. It's a bullet proof plan. Realistically though: Scotland is most likely is going to try to rejoin NATO, and if that doesn't work, they'll probably maintain a volunteer defense force, or conscripted military which will fall under some peace plan.

Scottish Independence is nonsense. They are leaving the union instead of solving the problems associated with the reasons for going independent. Its a bit backward. Northern England should go independent because we get little representation compared to other regions and was refereed to by a lord as large and desolate.

[QUOTE=TheCreeper;43897905]Scottish Independence is nonsense. They are leaving the union instead of solving the problems associated with the reasons for going independent. Its a bit backward.[/QUOTE] We can't fix English voters, last election only 1 of the 59 constituencies in Scotland voted Conservative but we still landed up with this shit, we're having legislation put past by a government hardly anybody in Scotland voted for. Far as I'm concerned, we'd be better off democratically as an independent nation.

[QUOTE=El Burro;43898006]We can't fix English voters, last election only 1 of the 59 constituencies in Scotland voted Conservative but we still landed up with this shit, we're having legislation put past by a government hardly anybody in Scotland voted for. Far as I'm concerned, we'd be better off democratically as an independent nation.[/QUOTE] Yeah, if Scotland was just another part of the greater UK, Scotland would've been blue at the last GE. It most definitely wasn't. We have a different culture and political/social leanings, and the union is stifling that.

Dollars. Switch to Canadian Dollars.