Canadian ISP Rogers Throttling 'World of Warcraft' - Polidicks

[quote]Canadian ISP Rogers Communications last week admitted that it is throttling activity on Blizzard's "World of Warcraft" gaming platform due to a "problem" with its traffic management. A fix for the problem, however, is not due until June. Until then, Rogers has suggested that users switch off all peer-to-peer connections while gaming on "World of Warcraft." "Our tests have determined that there is a problem with our traffic management equipment that can interfere with World of Warcraft," Rogers wrote in a March 22 note to the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC). "We have been in contact with the game manufacturer and we have been working with our equipment supplier to overcome this problem." The note was posted online by OpenMedia.ca, a non-profit, pro-open Internet group in Canada. Rogers said it made a change to its software to fix the problem, but a recent change to the game "created new problems" and a second software modification is necessary. That, Rogers said, "will not be ready until June." Rogers said that it has determined that the problem only occurs when consumers are using P2P file-sharing apps while running WoW. "Therefore we recommend turning off the peer-to-peer setting in the World of Warcraft game and ensuring that no peer-to-peer applications are running on any connected computer," Rogers said. The admission from Rogers came after the CRTC wrote to the company in late February about complaints it had received from WoW users. CRTC noted that ISP activities "that result in a noticeable degradation of time sensitive audio or video traffic require prior Commission approval." Canada has open Internet regulations that prohibit ISPs from blocking specific applications. An ISP could slow down all of its traffic during peak times, for example, but could not discriminate against specific services or apps like World of Warcraft. U.S. net neutrality rules got started in a similar manner when Comcast was accused of blocking access to P2P sites like BitTorrent during peak hours. Comcast said it delayed traffic during peak times, but denied blocking. In one complaint received by the CRTC, customer Teresa Murphy said she had experienced slow downs since at least November, and was not connected to a P2P network while gaming. "I've been affected by this (along with MANY other Rogers users) because Rogers' filters are picking up several very low bandwidth-intensive games incorrectly as P2P activity," Murphy wrote. "I don't use P2P at ALL, and yet I'm still affected by this issue because Rogers sees my gaming traffic incorrectly as P2P." OpenMedia.ca has teamed up with the SaveOurNet Coalition to push the CRTC to conduct regular audits of ISPs. "The rules are as follows: ISPs cannot slow down (throttle), speed up, or block Internet traffic specific to any content or application. However, the onus to ensure ISPs' compliance with these rules has been placed solely on Canadian consumers," OpenMedia wrote in a blog post last week. "Rather than taking comfort in the fact that Canada has some of the world's strongest Internet openness rules, Internet users like the World of Warcraft gamers must constantly be on guard to protect their online activity from the threat of discriminatory practices." Blizzard did not immediately respond to a request for comment.[/quote] [url=http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382720,00.asp]**SOURCE**[/url] I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds on WoW. It gives people a reason to get off the computer and do something else that's more constructive than WoW. Edit: Okay, so I guess the above comment can leave a potential loophole that can be exploited.

fuck rogers

[QUOTE=MIPS;28867134] I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds on Facepunch. It gives people a reason to get off the computer and do something else that's more constructive than Facepunch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MIPS;28867134]I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds on WoW. It gives people a reason to get off the computer and do something else that's more constructive than WoW.[/QUOTE] I see absolutely no problem with creating legislation based on opinion. It gives people a reason to stop doing something they want that doesn't hurt others and do what I tell them to do.

[QUOTE=MIPS;28867134] I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds on WoW. It gives people a reason to get off the computer and do something else that's more constructive than WoW.[/QUOTE] I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds for deviant art, Anime streams, and STEAM, because none of those affect me, and I personally think that they are silly, and because of that, nobody deserves too use them :colbert:

OpenMedia.ca has been doing some great things for the internet in Canada. I'm really happy with them, especially how they have so far avoided supporting any one political party. Anyway, you better believe this has Canadians pissed. This means that Rogers is throttling P2P traffic regardless of our laws or why you're using it, and of course the CRTC sees fit to do NOTHING. Especially now that an election is rolling up...

[QUOTE=MIPS;28867134]I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds on WoW. It gives people a reason to get off the computer and do something else that's more constructive than WoW.[/QUOTE] you probably shouldn't post anymore it's detrimental to people's intelligence

[quote] "Our tests have determined that there is a problem with our traffic management equipment that can interfere with World of Warcraft," Rogers wrote in a March 22 note to the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC). "We have been in contact with the game manufacturer and we have been working with our equipment supplier to overcome this problem."[/quote] Misleading title sort of, as Rogers isn't actively throttling the speeds, it just seems to be an incompatibility between the hardware they use and P2P protocols.

[QUOTE=Forumaster;28867524]Misleading title sort of, as Rogers isn't actively throttling the speeds, it just seems to be an incompatibility between the hardware they use and P2P protocols.[/QUOTE] probably Bell's usual incompetence and unwillingness to bring their infrastructure into this century

The game itself does not use peer-to-peer, [B]YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT MOTHERFUCKERS JUST TURN THROTTLING OFF HOW FUCKING RETARDED CAN YOU BE JUST LAY DOWN MORE FUCKING CABLES BANDWIDTH IS INFINITE[/B] God I fucking hate it when ISPs are being idiots.

[QUOTE=nikomo;28867731]The game itself does not use peer-to-peer, [B]YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT MOTHERFUCKERS JUST TURN THROTTLING OFF HOW FUCKING RETARDED CAN YOU BE JUST LAY DOWN MORE FUCKING CABLES BANDWIDTH IS INFINITE[/B] God I fucking hate it when ISPs are being idiots.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the patch downloader is P2P. But yeah, the game itself isn't. And even throttling the downloader is shit, it's actually a legit use of P2P. (i.e. not warez)

[QUOTE=MIPS;28867134]I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds on WoW. It gives people a reason to get off the computer and do something else that's more constructive than WoW. [/QUOTE] Says you.

[QUOTE=MIPS;28867134]I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds on WoW. [B]It gives people a reason to get off the computer and do something else that's more constructive[/B] than WoW.[/QUOTE] Oh the irony.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28868323]To be fair, the patch downloader is P2P. But yeah, the game itself isn't. And even throttling the downloader is shit, it's actually a legit use of P2P. (i.e. not warez)[/QUOTE] That's probably what it is, honestly. I'd fancy a guess that some huge patch went out, and suddenly customers realized that their download speeds were shit and they weren't downloading patches at their already capped speeds. My friend who lives in Canada says Rogers absolutely blows, and quite honestly, it sounds like it.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;28867466]OpenMedia.ca has been doing some great things for the internet in Canada. I'm really happy with them, especially how they have so far avoided supporting any one political party. Anyway, you better believe this has Canadians pissed. This means that Rogers is throttling P2P traffic regardless of our laws or why you're using it, and of course the CRTC sees fit to do NOTHING. Especially now that an election is rolling up...[/QUOTE] Hey, dont generalize. This isnt pissing me off as I dont use rogers and have no political authority to say no.

[QUOTE=MIPS;28867134] I see absolutely no problem with shit speeds on WoW. It gives people a reason to get off the computer and do something else that's more constructive than WoW.[/QUOTE]So basically throttling anything on the internet is ok if it is "not constructive". Ok then. I guess you see absolutely no problem with every single online multiplayer game ever getting throttled. Or how about just throttle everything that isn't "constructive" so we have more for "constructive" things.

Oh Canada, why so backwards?

[QUOTE=Miskav;28870316]Oh Canada, why so backwards?[/QUOTE] Yes because Rogers = entire nation. /sarcasm

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28870809]Yes because Rogers = entire nation. /sarcasm[/QUOTE] Do you really think that was subtle enough to require you pointing out your own sarcasm

[QUOTE=O'10er;28870821]Do you really think that was subtle enough to require you pointing out your own sarcasm[/QUOTE] I do, because it always happens and someone uses it against me so I started pointing it out.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28868323]To be fair, the patch downloader is P2P. But yeah, the game itself isn't. And even throttling the downloader is shit, it's actually a legit use of P2P. (i.e. not warez)[/QUOTE] When you are streaming data ingame, it is doing it through P2P. So whenever someone downloads a patch and hits play, they are still downloading "non-critical updates".

I fucking hate Rogers and their stupid fucking throttling. Except the only choice I have is Bell and Rogers and Bell does the exact same thing.

Throttling because of p2p? It's like not selling knives because they can be used for stabbing. P2P in itself is a great system. It saves server bandwidth and quite often provides speed faster than if it was straight from a server.

[QUOTE=Frek;28871246]When you are streaming data ingame, it is doing it through P2P. So whenever someone downloads a patch and hits play, they are still downloading "non-critical updates".[/QUOTE] When you hit play, it stops downloading those non-critical updates. When you get in-game, it starts downloading models, textures etc. that you don't already have downloaded, but that doesn't utilize P2P at all.

[QUOTE=nikomo;28872018]When you hit play, it stops downloading those non-critical updates. When you get in-game, it starts downloading models, textures etc. that you don't already have downloaded, but that doesn't utilize P2P at all.[/QUOTE] Actually, that was true up until cataclysm. Non-critical updates get streamed during play now.

I'm moving to america for the internet. :canada:

[QUOTE=ief014;28872488]I'm moving to america for the internet. :canada:[/QUOTE] Move to sweden instead. American net is having a lot of censorship and throttling problems too

Internet censorship in america?! I can see shit going down from that [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=doonbugie2;28870809]Yes because Rogers = entire nation. /sarcasm[/QUOTE] They own a good chunk of it... TV, Internet, Phone, Mobile, and even movie rentals.

[QUOTE=ief014;28872580]Internet censorship in america?! I can see shit going down from that [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] They own a good chunk of it... TV, Internet, Phone, Mobile, and even movie rentals.[/QUOTE] The internet in America is pretty much metered to absurdly little amount of data.

[quote]"The rules are as follows: ISPs cannot slow down (throttle), speed up, or block Internet traffic specific to any content or application. However, the onus to ensure ISPs' compliance with these rules has been placed solely on Canadian consumers," OpenMedia wrote in a blog post last week. "Rather than taking comfort in the fact that Canada has some of the world's strongest Internet openness rules, Internet users like the World of Warcraft gamers must constantly be on guard to protect their online activity from the threat of discriminatory practices."[/quote] Since Rogers is technically breaking the rules here, sounds like it's time for a class action lawsuit.