Climate researchers and scientists are literally protesting in the streets over Trump
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[quote]Desperate times call for desperate measures, and for scientists, these are desperate measures.
Tuesday in San Francisco’s Jessie Square, approximately 500 people gathered for a ‘rally to stand up for science.’ Many of the attendees were scientists who had migrated to the rally from the nearby Moscone Center, where some 26,000 Earth scientists are attending the annual American Geophysical Union (AGU) conference this week.
This was an unusual activity for scientists to participate in; after all, they’re often accused of remaining isolated in the ivory towers of academia. Scientists generally prefer to focus on their scientific research, use their findings to inform the public and policymakers, and leave it to us to decide what actions we should take in response. In fact, one of the keynote speakers at the rally, Harvard science historian Naomi Oreskes made that exact point:
[quote]We don’t want to be here. We want to be doing the work we were trained and educated to do, which is science ... but we are at a moment in history where we have to stand up.[/quote]
As Georgia Tech climate scientist Kim Cobb noted, with the appointments made thus far by the incoming Trump administration, science is under attack and scientists feel compelled to protect their research, and their ability to keep doing it. Cobb also called on more of her scientific colleagues to step outside their comfort zones and engage in activism.
The rally followed other recent efforts by scientists to advise the Trump administration and reassure the public. For example, over 800 Earth scientists and energy experts signed a letter urging the President-elect to take six key steps to address climate change:
[quote]1) Make America a clean energy leader;
2) Reduce carbon pollution and America’s dependence on fossil fuels;
3) Enhance America’s climate preparedness and resilience;
4) Publicly acknowledge that climate change is a real, human-caused, and urgent threat;
5) Protect scientific integrity in policymaking; and
6) Uphold America’s commitment to the Paris Climate Agreement.[/quote][/quote]
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/dec/16/this-is-not-normal-climate-researchers-take-to-the-streets-to-protect-science[/url]
What would be to happen if all scientists refused to work in protest against Trump?
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51544659]What would be to happen if all scientists refused to work in protest against Trump?[/QUOTE]
The world would be doomed.
Then again, it already is.
regardless of how true climate change is, and even if you disagree with regulations, making every possible thing more clean and efficient should be the absolute end goal of everything
Money doesn't matter
regulations outside of 'clean' doesn't matter
climate change's "TRUTH" doesn't matter
the only thing that matters is that everyone needs to have an end goal of cleaner energy. Even if we don't phase gas and coal out, we can work to make that have less of an impact.
I shouldn't have trouble breathing in a suburban town when I have no asthma just because its an insanely busy day for cars. I can't imagine how shit it must be for cities and less clean areas.
I fear that the US will see a significant Brain Drain as Trump's war on science, education, and reason forces our brightest minds to move abroad.
it's amazing how Trump literally cannot take criticism and yet he's taken up the one job that people will be critical of above anything else
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51544682]I fear that the US will see a significant Brain Drain as Trump's war on science, education, and reason forces our brightest minds to move abroad.[/QUOTE]
hope canada can scoop 'em right up
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;51544705]hope canada can scoop 'em right up[/QUOTE]
Can I come too?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51544682]I fear that the US will see a significant Brain Drain as Trump's war on science, education, and reason forces our brightest minds to move abroad.[/QUOTE]
If you guys had any truly bright minds they left when the election came down to Mr Trump the guy who will talk about 2+2 but never answer it, and Mrs Clinton, the woman who would declare war on her car rather than find her keys.
[QUOTE=Redfiend;51544712]If you guys had any truly bright minds they left when the election came down to Mr Trump the guy who will talk about 2+2 but never answer it, and Mrs Clinton, the woman who would declare war on her car rather than find her keys.[/QUOTE]
contrary to popular belief, up and leaving is a lot easier said than done
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51544659]What would be to happen if all scientists refused to work in protest against Trump?[/QUOTE]
Science not working sounds an awful lot like something Trump and friends would want tbh
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51544682]I fear that the US will see a significant Brain Drain as Trump's war on science, education, and reason forces our brightest minds to move abroad.[/QUOTE]
Do you reckon it could be akin to the mass exodus of European scientists in the late '30's and '40's.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51544682]I fear that the US will see a significant Brain Drain as Trump's war on science, education, and reason forces our brightest minds to move abroad.[/QUOTE]
It's already happening. Personally I'm already not even bothering to look at any masters options in the US and I have zero plans to live here after my schooling is done. Even if I was given a killer offer on a job. And I'm not alone, I know many people who are looking to do their masters in other countries and not return to the US after.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51544729]contrary to popular belief, up and leaving is a lot easier said than done[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised just how ready a lot of companies are to throw a few thousand to get someone to immigrate and work for them.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51544729]contrary to popular belief, up and leaving is a lot easier said than done[/QUOTE]
It's pretty easy if you have good grades and a year of saving money. The hardest part is paying visa fees and doing paperwork, which some countries deffo cost more than others but it's pretty easy to leave if you really dedicate your resources to it. It's harder if you have a family and such to take with you, but for a lot of people the act of leaving is going to be relatively easy all things considered. And that's just talking education visas. If we look at emigration for work a lot of companies will often give you a bonus or outright pay for your relocation if they want you.
If I could go back in time I'd train to become a teacher, you have a fairly good chance of getting contacted to go teach in the UAE for 5 times the money you'd make here.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51544892]If I could go back in time I'd train to become a teacher, you have a fairly good chance of getting contacted to go teach in the UAE for 5 times the money you'd make here.[/QUOTE]
And once oil is phased out the UAE won't have any money to pay that teaching job
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51544659]What would be to happen if all scientists refused to work in protest against Trump?[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that's what Trump wants, so he would pretty much win.
Leaving or refusing to work would be giving in to the rhetoric. We don't need the United States to fall behind in climate science because everyone left. It's a global problem. Leaving the US to disregard climate science leaves the whole world in danger.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51544659]What would be to happen if all scientists refused to work in protest against Trump?[/QUOTE]
weather service goes down, all sea and air travel stops, US economy grinds to a hault.
[QUOTE=OvB;51545011]Leaving or refusing to work would be giving in to the rhetoric. We don't need the United States to fall behind in climate science because everyone left. It's a global problem. Leaving the US to disregard climate science leaves the whole world in danger.[/QUOTE]
hard to do research in the us if that dumbass cunt of a bitch makes it impossible
18th day of dec and still no snow here, god this year is so depressing, I need to see some white rain right now or I am gonna die :scream:
I will probably end up watching some youtube videos in the future for christmas to get the same feel, Jesus I know many countries and cities don't get snow since eons and that feels so very wrong to me.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51544729]contrary to popular belief, up and leaving is a lot easier said than done[/QUOTE]
Difficult, but an interested country can always facilitate the process for valuable immigrants. I think Canada recently made some changes.
OMFG THIS IS LITERALLY INSANE
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545306]OMFG THIS IS LITERALLY INSANE[/QUOTE]
Why? Do those people, who have in many cases taken out loans and devoted their careers to their study, have nothing to worry about when Trump appoints climate change deniers to leadership positions? Should they not fear for their livelihoods and the future of humanity?
Honestly I'm worried we're going to see the death of some pretty important regulation in industry. Hopefully people will come to their senses before rivers start burning again.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51545385]Why? Do those people, who have in many cases taken out loans and devoted their careers to their study, have nothing to worry about when Trump appoints climate change deniers to leadership positions? Should they not fear for their livelihoods and the future of humanity?
Honestly I'm worried we're going to see the death of some pretty important regulation in industry. Hopefully people will come to their senses before rivers start burning again.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, they should only bee worried if they work in the public sector.
Those working for private businesses and companies literally have nothing to worry about unless Trump specifically targets that job for no reason whatsoever which is probably illegal to do anyway.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51545306]OMFG THIS IS LITERALLY INSANE[/QUOTE]
fyi our government pretty much did the same thing by cutting funds to the CSIRO.
[QUOTE=Whomobile;51545411]fyi our government pretty much did the same thing by cutting funds to the CSIRO.[/QUOTE]
It's okay guys, we are all just going to die poor and diseased because of population overcrowding caused by Greenhouse Effect.
No biggie.
The whole problem with climate change and battling it at the moment is generally how negative people get if you express a opposite opinion.
Its pretty much safe to say the people that still believe global warming is not real are pretty strong in belief about it and you may think they are stupid but they probably are not stupid.
We need to stop as a people as a whole stop calling people stupid or dumb fucks when they disagree Instead try to educate and never ever presume.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51545402]To be fair, they should only bee worried if they work in the public sector.
Those working for private businesses and companies literally have nothing to worry about unless Trump specifically targets that job for no reason whatsoever which is probably illegal to do anyway.[/QUOTE]
Everyone should worry. Damage to academia reduces opportunity for businesses to find new hires. Fewer graduate level assistants to hire, less recent research, etc.
A lot of science just can't happen without federal grant money. What financial incentive is there for a business to invest in climate research? LTER studies, gov funded data stores, etc.
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