[QUOTE]PHOENIX - A Phoenix mother who shot her 10-year-old son with an airsoft gun said she had to do it.Estelle Ullmer needed to teach her son a lesson. "Guns aren't toys, period," Ullmer said. "I told him to get rid of it."
Ullmer, who lives with her son near 15th and Peoria Avenues, was scared of the possibility of a police officer mistaking the gun for a genuine firearm, and shooting her son.
An airsoft gun shoots plastic, round projectiles. The force of the round can be enough to leave a mark.
So, to teach him the seriousness of guns, she took the gun and shot him with it, once in the leg and once in the neck.
She said she discovered the gun after she had repeatedly ordered her son to get rid of it. He refused to throw it away, Ullmer said.
"I didn't [shoot him] to be malicious or mean," Ullmer said.
Authorities found the incident serious enough to charge Ullmer earlier this week with felony child abuse.
Officials did not remove Ullmer's son from her custody.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/phoenix-mom-shoots-son-with-airsoft-gun[/url]
She should have tazed him, shooting him was excessive force.
:v:
The kid was ten years old. The kid was being a little shit according to the mom too, disobeying her and not doing what he was told for his own safety. Felony child abuse? What the fuck.
It was an overreaction sure but she had his well being in mind and the kid probably gets shot by his friends all the time in little airsoft wars. I don't see the problem here.
Child abuse for shooting him with that? Fucking seriously?
Uh, seriously? Charging her with felony child abuse? Me and my cousins used to shoot each other with airsoft guns all the time. It used to hurt (cause we were kids) but it didn't scar us and it'd only sting for a few seconds. Bit excessive.
She definitely overreacted by teaching him to fear firearms instead of respect them, but the police are overreacting by charging her with felony child abuse.
If somebody expects to ever shoot others with a an airsoft gun, they have to be willing to get shot at with it as well.
Some amateur airsoft games here I know of, there's a phase at start where you voluntarily get shot with your own gun to prove it's not some overpowered bullshit that might hurt somebody else.
That said, as his mother, if he refused to get rid of it, it would be just better idea to take it away from him rather than shoot him with it.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45834478]Child abuse for shooting him with that? Fucking seriously?[/QUOTE]
If it was gas or electric within 5 metres it has a pretty good chance of penetrating skin, and since she was afraid of police mistaking it for a real gun, I doubt it's one of those shitty bright transparent plastic spring guns.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45834483]If somebody expects to ever shoot others with a an airsoft gun, they have to be willing to get shot at with it as well.
Some amateur airsoft games here I know of, there's a phase at start where you voluntarily get shot with your own gun to prove it's not some overpowered bullshit that might hurt somebody else.
That said, as his mother, if he refused to get rid of it, it would be just better idea to take it away from him rather than shoot him with it.[/QUOTE]
This.
Felony is too much of a punishment, but the mother was totally being a bitch.
[QUOTE]Ullmer, who lives with her son near 15th and Peoria Avenues, was scared of the possibility of a police officer mistaking the gun for a genuine firearm, and shooting her son.[/QUOTE]
As long as the orange tip is still visible, and the boy is responsible/sensible of where/when is appropriate to play. Then 99/100, your son is fine.
[QUOTE=Crimor;45834619]If it was gas or electric within 5 metres it has a pretty good chance of penetrating skin, and since she was afraid of police mistaking it for a real gun, I doubt it's one of those shitty bright transparent plastic spring guns.[/QUOTE]
The gun is shown in the video and if it didn't have the orange tip, it really does look like a legitimate pistol. Either way, the kid was a shithead if he was running around with a gas/electric powered gun shooting at friends after being told not to.
What I want to know is if he's getting shot at by friends all the time and he's laughing about it, what's the difference with him getting shot twice by his mom? Like I said, it deserves a talking to or something but that's the most it should have led to. Now this kid might end up in a foster home and he's crying about possibly losing his mother on camera.
[QUOTE=Crimor;45834619]If it was gas or electric within 5 metres it has a pretty good chance of penetrating skin, and since she was afraid of police mistaking it for a real gun, I doubt it's one of those shitty bright transparent plastic spring guns.[/QUOTE]
I've got a $20 airsoft M16 that, if I spray painted the muzzle brake black, would from a distance look just like the real thing. Full scale. It's not a matter of price or quality of the gun.
How is this news?
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[QUOTE=TestECull;45834761]I've got a $20 airsoft M16 that, if I spray painted the muzzle brake black, would from a distance look just like the real thing. Full scale. It's not a matter of price or quality of the gun.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't removing/obscuring the orange tip illegal anyway?
[QUOTE=Kegan;45834460]She should have tazed him, shooting him was excessive force.
:v:[/QUOTE]
At least she shot him in the leg :v:
[QUOTE=Crimor;45834843]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't removing/obscuring the orange tip illegal anyway?[/QUOTE]
Nope, you can remove them as you please, they just have to be there when you buy them.
[QUOTE=Kegan;45834460]She should have tazed him, shooting him was excessive force.
:v:[/QUOTE]
airsoft tazer?
I would say that misusing an airsoft gun in this manner does constitute child-abuse.
[QUOTE]"I didn't [shoot him] to be malicious or mean," Ullmer said.[/QUOTE]
Bullshit
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;45834649]As long as the orange tip is still visible, and the boy is responsible/sensible of where/when is appropriate to play. Then 99/100, your son is fine.[/QUOTE]
But it's that 1/100 that a parent fears and drives these measures.
Yes, a good way to prove to your son that guns aren't toys is to shoot him with one.
It's not child abuse if the child agrees on it, but if the mom just shot her child with it out of spite/to punish then it is.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45835143]It's not child abuse if the child agrees on it, but if the mom just shot her child with it out of spite/to punish then it is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah i don't think a 10 years old would just let his mum do that, unless she would force that decision.
This WAS a slight abuse for sure, but seeing that this gun isn't really dangerous (oh no, a little red spot after a shot! how scary!) it wasn't anything too bad, after all the kid had to see what kind of pain he could give to others/himself, but a proper lesson about not aiming at eyes/other spots would be more useful if he isn't a twat and use that knowledge to inflict pain to others :v:
It's slightly inappropriate but ask yourselves, is it enough to justify a son losing his mother? Even community service would be going over the necessary punishment.
I've seen parents neglect their kids emotionally to the point where they're breaking down and crying begging to go see somebody about their problems and they kill themselves. The parents get away with it because there's no marks for that kind of emotional negligence and abuse... But stop the fucking presses if a mother puts a tiny red mark on her kid that goes away overnight with a plastic gun he's running around shooting his friends with out of concern for his safety.
The kid probably laughed when she turned her back too, like most kids do after being spanked after a certain age.
[QUOTE=Crimor;45834619]If it was gas or electric within 5 metres it has a pretty good chance of penetrating skin, and since she was afraid of police mistaking it for a real gun, I doubt it's one of those shitty bright transparent plastic spring guns.[/QUOTE]
Penetrating skin? Uhh nope, not unless you have tweaked the gun yourself.
[QUOTE=Nibroc;45835057]But it's that 1/100 that a parent fears and drives these measures.[/QUOTE]
Yet that's true with nearly everything, what if her son was riding his bike on the street? 99/100 he wouldn't be hit by a car. You can't live life to any degree without risk, fearing that is just pure paranoia.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;45835403]Yet that's true with nearly everything, what if her son was riding his bike on the street? 99/100 he wouldn't be hit by a car. You can't live life to any degree without risk, fearing that is just pure paranoia.[/QUOTE]
Of course, but the woman in the OP clearly isn't that type of person.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45835370]Penetrating skin? Uhh nope, not unless you have tweaked the gun yourself.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I've had blood from hits on bare skin before, and it wasn't a tweaked/extremely high powered rifle either.
I used to put the barrel of my soft against my foot and shoot. It hurt like fuck and left a mark that lasted about 2 days, did this like three times total.
[QUOTE=escenraL;45835557]I used to put the barrel of my soft against my foot and shoot. It hurt like fuck and left a mark that lasted about 2 days, did this like three times total.[/QUOTE]
i'd figure after the first time you'd learn :v:
[QUOTE=153x;45835456]I disagree. I've had blood from hits on bare skin before, and it wasn't a tweaked/extremely high powered rifle either.[/QUOTE]
Can confirm, his airsoft gun sucks
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