Puerto Rico's 51st Statehood Soon - Gun Registry and Licensing Requirements scrapped. - Polidicks

[quote]BELLEVUE, Wash., June 19, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A surprising victory for gun rights in Puerto Rico has eliminated the firearms registry and licensing requirements to purchase and carry in the Commonwealth, the Second Amendment Foundation has confirmed. As of now, according to Sandra Barreras with Ladies of the Second Amendment (LSA), the group that brought the lawsuit, "there is no regulation to purchase or carry (and) all purchases will be handled in accordance with federal firearms regulations." LSA is affiliated with SAF through the International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR). The class-action lawsuit challenged various articles in Puerto Rico's gun law, which the court declared unconstitutional. Because of the ruling, Barreras said, Puerto Ricans may now carry openly or concealed without a permit, and they do not need to obtain a permit before purchasing a firearm. This was a class action lawsuit involving more than 850 individual plaintiffs, she reported to SAF offices. The news was greeted with delight, especially because in reaching its decision, the court cited the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court cases, and the recent ruling in Palmer v. District of Columbia. Both the McDonald and Palmer cases were won by SAF. "Cumbersome firearms regulations have never prevented criminals from getting their hands on guns," noted SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. "They have only inconvenienced law-abiding citizens, or deprived them outright from exercising their rights under the Second Amendment." Gottlieb said the lawsuit was brought in a Puerto Rican Commonwealth court, rather than a federal court. Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory and thus is subject to federal court jurisdiction.[/quote] [url=http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/saf-lauds-puerto-rico-court-victory-for-gun-rights-300102214.html]Puerto Rico Newswire[/url]

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Now hundreds of millions of flags are now obsolete. Good for Puerto Rico though.

Might be a step in the right direction, I just hope we get the resources we need to fix this island. It's been a real shithole for the last few years sadly

The article only talks about overturning a gun control law. What does this have to do with statehood?

[QUOTE=catbarf;48032069]The article only talks about overturning a gun control law. What does this have to do with statehood?[/QUOTE] Presumably because it's to bring Puerto Rico in line with existing federal law on gun control.

Good, good they've got the guns. Now all they need to become part of America is the burger.

Good news. Wonder what changes it will bring? Either way, I love visiting PR. Been there dozens of times.

Am I reading the same article? All they did was make it so anybody anytime can walk into a gun store and buy a gun and carry it around without any problems, no state has such open policies, even Texas requires a ccw permit

Wow. I am lost for words.

Yeah this article says nothing about them actually becoming a 51st state. Look past the sensationalist headline (hehehe) and you'll see an article that announces a lawsuit against Puerto Rico that somehow allows literally anyone to purchase and then carry, open or concealed, a firearm with a permit. Doesn't seem like a good move to me. Literally anyone there can carry a gun however and wherever they want to with no real permit.

[QUOTE=Archonos 2;48032324]Yeah this article says nothing about them actually becoming a 51st state. Look past the sensationalist headline (hehehe) and you'll see an article that announces a lawsuit against Puerto Rico that somehow allows literally anyone to purchase and then carry, open or concealed, a firearm with a permit. Doesn't seem like a good move to me. Literally anyone there can carry a gun however and wherever they want to with no real permit.[/QUOTE] With as high of a crime rate as a lot of areas in PR have, wouldn't you think criminals would think twice about robbing someone that might be armed?

I think gun registration is something that everyone should be able to agree with. Gun owners don't like gun-owning criminals, and non gun-owners don't either. Gun licensing is more on the fence but I don't see why anybody disagrees with registration

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48032333]I think gun registration is something that everyone should be able to agree with. Gun owners don't like gun-owning criminals, and non gun-owners don't either. Gun licensing is more on the fence but I don't see why anybody disagrees with registration[/QUOTE] Just background check people that are buying guns, that in and of itself is a "registry" since those checks are documented with the ATF and state police.

[QUOTE=Archonos 2;48032324]Yeah this article says nothing about them actually becoming a 51st state. Look past the sensationalist headline (hehehe) and you'll see an article that announces a lawsuit against Puerto Rico that somehow allows literally anyone to purchase and then carry, open or concealed, a firearm with a permit. Doesn't seem like a good move to me. Literally anyone there can carry a gun however and wherever they want to with no real permit.[/QUOTE] All purchases follow federal regulations, it's not like some felon can pick one up in PR.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48032340]All purchases follow federal regulations, it's not like some felon can pick one up in PR.[/QUOTE] Yup. Convicts would still have to fill out FFL paperwork, and then would be denied.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48032338]Just background check people that are buying guns, that in and of itself is a "registry" since those checks are documented with the ATF and state police.[/QUOTE] Not all gun sellers are required to do background checks. At least here in Virginia, If I wanted to sell my gun, I could meet some dude in a walmart parking lot, he gives me some cash and we're done with it. All I do is check his driver license to make sure he lives in VA and that he isn't under 21, but I don't need to know if this dude is nuts. This is how the Columbine shooters got their guns.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48032350]Not all gun sellers are required to do background checks. At least here in Virginia, If I wanted to sell my gun, I could meet some dude in a walmart parking lot, he gives me some cash and we're done with it. All I do is check his driver license to make sure he lives in VA and that he isn't under 21, but I don't need to know if this dude is nuts. This is how the Columbine shooters got their guns.[/QUOTE] Yeah it depends on the state. And really the type of weapon. With unregulated weapons, like shotguns or bolt-action weapons, you can do parking lot type sales. I think that's illegal though in most states.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48032350]Not all gun sellers are required to do background checks. At least here in Virginia, If I wanted to sell my gun, I could meet some dude in a walmart parking lot, he gives me some cash and we're done with it. All I do is check his driver license to make sure he lives in VA and that he isn't under 21, but I don't need to know if this dude is nuts. This is how the Columbine shooters got their guns.[/QUOTE] I know I'll get shit for this from some people but as an avid gun owner, I think private sales should definitely require all background checks as well.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48032360]I know I'll get shit for this from some people but as an avid gun owner, I think private sales should definitely require all background checks as well.[/QUOTE] Yeah, coming from an avid gun owner as well, I think FFL needs to happen for all gun sales.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48032309]Am I reading the same article? All they did was make it so anybody anytime can walk into a gun store and buy a gun and carry it around without any problems, no state has such open policies, even Texas requires a ccw permit[/QUOTE] Arizona and Alaska are the same and have been for quite a while.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48032360]I know I'll get shit for this from some people but as an avid gun owner, I think private sales should definitely require all background checks as well.[/QUOTE] Gun owners stand to benefit from criminals not getting guns

The government will appeal it and they will probably write up new laws. It's not carved in stone. Considering how hilariously time consuming it was to get a gun here I don't think going to the other extreme will stick

[QUOTE=download;48032385]Arizona and Alaska are the same and have been for quite a while.[/QUOTE] Isn't Alaska that way due to the wildlife, not crime prevention?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48032409]Isn't Alaska that way due to the wildlife, not crime prevention?[/QUOTE] Yeah my Uncle's got a rifle on him anytime he goes outside when he's up at his friend's ranch up there. Damn bears.

[QUOTE=Levelog;48032422]Yeah my Uncle's got a rifle on him anytime he goes outside when he's up at his friend's ranch up there. Damn bears.[/QUOTE] Yeah, don't fuck around with those bears man. They'll rip your arms off.

Clearly a politicaly loaded move by the flag and map industry to sell more product! Bastards.

Puerto Rico is still a [I]long[/I] way from gaining statehood and iirc, they don't even really care to have it.

Guys the statehood thing is a joke. :v:

i don't think a gun registry would be very effective considering there's fucking billions of guns in the us and getting everyone to register every gun would be a massive headache. didn't canada bave a gun registry that they shut down because it was a bureaucratic nightmare? and they have way less guns than we do although i would totally support a license to buy and checks on private sales