[QUOTE]A father of five died after he was involved in an altercation with deputies who suspected him of burglary.
The Victorville Daily Press reports that Dante Parker, 36, was suspected of attempting to burglarize a Victorville home on Tuesday afternoon.
The person who reported the burglary said the suspect fled on a bicycle and, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's office, Parker was seen riding his bike near the scene.
But a former co-worker of Parker's, who worked as a pressman for the Victoria Daily Press, tells the paper his fellow employee wouldn't steal from anybody.
"That whole story is totally wrong; that’s just not Dante,” Richard Loredo, a former Daily Press pressman who worked with Parker, said Wednesday. “Dante’s not a burglar ... You can see how well his kids were raised; he was a good dad. For the police department to portray him like that is ... unfair.”[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/dad-killed-taser_n_5679152.html[/url]
This happened right around the corner from my house, had never seen the guy though.
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The person who reported the burglary said the suspect fled on a bicycle and, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's office, Parker was seen riding his bike near the scene.
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I hope there's more to this and they didn't just randomly tase the first person on a bike they could see.
[quote]suspected of attempting to burglarize[/quote]
Holy shit, this is the loosest charge I've ever seen.
I guess people don't realize that you can be detained by the police. Resisting and fighting will not end well for you. Any of us, regardless of what we've done or not done, can be stopped when we are out in public.
If you're a big guy, like this guy was, that's even more reason for you to cooperate. The cops are going to be looking for any reason to taze or even shoot you.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45740590]I hope there's more to this and they didn't just randomly tase the first person on a bike they could see.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they had a description of him and what he was wearing.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45742368]I guess people don't realize that you can be detained by the police. Resisting and fighting will not end well for you. Any of us, regardless of what we've done or not done, can be stopped when we are out in public.
If you're a big guy, like this guy was, that's even more reason for you to cooperate. The cops are going to be looking for any reason to taze or even shoot you.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people simply do not know what to do when the police show up. If the cops show up to arrest you talk to you just give them your identification if they ask for it, tell them you won't speak to them without a lawyer present then shut up before you say something stupid even if it sounds innocent.
Why are tasers used so lightly if they result in so many deaths?
[QUOTE=ferrus;45742551]Why are tasers used so lightly if they result in so many deaths?[/QUOTE]
Because they dont result is so many deaths.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45742570]Because they dont result is so many deaths.[/QUOTE]
Why not actually read about them before you reply.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Deaths_and_injuries_related_to_Taser_use[/URL]
- "277 people in the United States have died after being shocked by a Taser between June 2001 and October 2007" (if you count up to 2014 it's more like 500).
- "... 80% of those on whom a Taser was used by U.S. police were unarmed."
- "Tasers interfere with a basic equation, which is that force must always be proportional to the threat," "They are being used in a situation where a firearm or even a baton would never be justified."'
This particular guy was resisting arrest but unarmed and not necessarily guilty of any crime. You think it was reasonable to use a potentially lethal weapon?
[QUOTE=ferrus;45742551]Why are tasers used so lightly if they result in so many deaths?[/QUOTE]
Because (it's my understanding) there's like 3 options; attempting to physically restrain the person, which is dangerous to both the person and the officers, a taser, or a gun. The latter two are obviously just dangerous to the person being targeted.
It isn't the police's job to endanger themselves to protect someone who is being uncooperative or dangerous, it's the police's job to protect themselves so that they can protect the general public.
Thus, a taser is the middle ground, which while far from perfect is vastly better than just shooting the person.
More to the point, the person wouldn't have needed to be tased if they had cooperated, instead they tried to resist and thus brought it upon themselves. Sure, it's unfortunate, but it isn't like the police are running around tasering random people for no reason. When you disobey the police, especially in a violent manner, you're putting yourself at risk of injury or death.
[editline]20th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=ferrus;45742604]Why not actually read about them before you reply.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Deaths_and_injuries_related_to_Taser_use[/URL]
- "277 people in the United States have died after being shocked by a Taser between June 2001 and October 2007"
- "... 80% of those on whom a Taser was used by U.S. police were unarmed."
- "Tasers interfere with a basic equation, which is that force must always be proportional to the threat," "They are being used in a situation where a firearm or even a baton would never be justified."'
This particular guy was resisting arrest but unarmed and not necessarily guilty of any crime. You think it was reasonable to use a potentially lethal weapon?[/QUOTE]
"[Parker] was big, like a defensive end in football" vs. what appears to be one or two cops (it's hard to tell, the article isn't super detailed); moreover, a person's body can be just a lethal as a knife or a gun.
Not to mention, when you resist arrest it certainly doesn't lend well to your innocence, and is a crime in of itself (is it not?).
Get shot or get tazed. Pretty sure people rather risk heart attack(lots of fatties around anyways) over getting shot.
[QUOTE=ferrus;45742604]Why not actually read about them before you reply.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Deaths_and_injuries_related_to_Taser_use[/URL]
- "277 people in the United States have died after being shocked by a Taser between June 2001 and October 2007"
- "... 80% of those on whom a Taser was used by U.S. police were unarmed."
- "Tasers interfere with a basic equation, which is that force must always be proportional to the threat," Feuer said. "They are being used in a situation where a firearm or even a baton would never be justified."'
This particular guy was resisting arrest but unarmed and not necessarily guilty of any crime. You think it was reasonable to use a potentially lethal weapon?[/QUOTE]
Youre right, they are [i]less lethal[/i] weapons. NOT less-than lethal.
However you managed to cherry-pick your facts from that article. Out of 1,000 in a survey there were only two that died (with the cause of death not definitively linked to being shocked) and three that needed to be hospitalised.
And who is Freuer to say the taser is not a proportional force? If someone must be incapacitated what poses less risk to both the officer and suspect than a taser?
[QUOTE=ferrus;45742604]Why not actually read about them before you reply.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Deaths_and_injuries_related_to_Taser_use[/URL]
- "277 people in the United States have died after being shocked by a Taser between June 2001 and October 2007" (if you count up to 2014 it's more like 500).
- "... 80% of those on whom a Taser was used by U.S. police were unarmed."
- "Tasers interfere with a basic equation, which is that force must always be proportional to the threat," "They are being used in a situation where a firearm or even a baton would never be justified."'
This particular guy was resisting arrest but unarmed and not necessarily guilty of any crime. You think it was reasonable to use a potentially lethal weapon?[/QUOTE]
Theres no national data on deaths related to taser use, and I dont trust Wikipedia.
HOWEVER, 227 died in [I]relation[/I] to taser use over ~6.5 years? Thats incredibly low and once you factor in the amount of taser use in a year from all agencies, thats microscopic of a %. Now, I italicized the relation part because in most all taser deaths there are other factors: drugs, or cardiovascular. It would be incredibly rare that a taser kills a healthy, teenage person.
Theres no data collected yearly by the government, but there have been case studies. This recent one, 2011, has a TON of great data in it about the use of Tasers (or CED's)
[url]https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/231176.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=DaMastez;45742682] "[Parker] was big, like a defensive end in football" vs. what appears to be one or two cops (it's hard to tell, the article isn't super detailed); moreover, a person's body can be just a lethal as a knife or a gun. [/QUOTE] No it's not. If the human body was just as deadly as a gun then nobody ever would have invented the gun. Since when is it the job of police officers to use less-lethal weapons on anybody vaguely suspected of being a criminal?
[QUOTE=Code3Response;45742809]Theres no national data on deaths related to taser use, and I dont trust Wikipedia.
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Here's what the Wikipedia article uses as a source for the information;
[url]http://reuters.com/article/idUSN0523646320071008?irpc=932[/url]
I know some people live in an action movie where they think people should always be ready to kill in self defense at the drop of a hat but in reality-land tasing a suspect because they, theoretically, if they were so inclined, could do physical harm with their bare hands is not something you can actually justify because that's technically a justification for cops tasing everyone who makes eye contact with them.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45743185]I know some people live in an action movie where they think people should always be ready to kill in self defense at the drop of a hat but in reality-land tasing a suspect because they, theoretically, if they were so inclined, could do physical harm with their bare hands is not something you can actually justify because that's technically a justification for cops tasing everyone who makes eye contact with them.[/QUOTE]
So when someone is aggitated and doesnt respond to a direct order to stop, w/e thats the same as eye contact? It doeant take a psychiatrist to tell when someone is belligerent to the point of violence.
[QUOTE=ferrus;45742551]Why are tasers used so lightly if they result in so many deaths?[/QUOTE]
tbh tasers have probably saved more lives than ended
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45743146]No it's not. If the human body was just as deadly as a gun then nobody ever would have invented the gun. Since when is it the job of police officers to use less-lethal weapons on anybody vaguely suspected of being a criminal?[/QUOTE]
Of course, generally speaking a gun is easier to use and more effective at killing someone than a person's body; that however doesn't make being unarmed equate to not being a threat.
But that isn't even the point really; if the police are trying to arrest someone, that is the eventual outcome which must happen. If the person the police are trying to arrest choose to resist being arrested, which would involve some sort of physical action on their part, then the police need to deal with that in ideally the safest possible manner for them and the general public first and foremost.
A taser happens to be one of the safer methods for the police--because they don't have to physically restrain the person and risk being injured or killed--and for the general public--because if the taser misses it isn't likely to hit, let alone kill, someone accidently. It also happens to be somewhat safe for the person being arrested, which is a bonus.
Also, to answer your question, no I wouldn't want the police running about tasering anyone "vaguely suspected of being a criminal"; however, when someone resists arrest, they go from being "vaguely suspected of being a criminal" to "actively committing a crime".
The thing is you don't even have to resist arrest to make things go bad. All you have to do is be uncooperative. If the cop tells you to turn around and put your hands behind your back, you have a choice. Immediately do as you're told, or start arguing about how you didn't do anything blah blah blah. If you don't cooperate then [i]you[/i] are the one who has escalated the situation.
Every single police officer that has to be out on patrol with a taser has been tased before.
Basically almost every single less-lethal weapon that a police officer is armed with has been used on the officer that holds it.
I honestly don't understand some of you guys on why the taser is being held on the Deadly Weapon Pedestal when cops are required to be subjected to it in order to wield it.
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