Plane carrying 200 Russian tourists may have crashed near Egypt - Polidicks

Breaking story [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34687139[/url] Some confusion at the moment as to whether it has crashed at all let alone where it went down. Update: It is confirmed that it has crashed. Cause unknown.

Jesus. If it's revealed that it was shot down I don't even want to think about Russia's reaction. Hopefully it just lost contact and performed an emergency landing but I doubt thats the case.

Christ, this will be a mess if it turns out it was shot down. [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] The Australian Broadcasting Corporation was reporting that contact had been regained with the plane and that it hadn't crash but is now saying it is confirmed it crashed. [quote] Updated 5 minutes ago Egypt has confirmed that a Russian passenger plane has crashed in central Sinai. A statement from the prime minister's office said Sherif Ismail had formed a cabinet-level crisis committee to deal with the crash. Earlier, aviation and security sources said Egyptian air traffic control had lost contact with the civilian airliner carrying 224 people shortly after it took off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, bound for Russia. The source said the aircraft was an Airbus A321, had 224 passengers and crew on board, and was operated by Russian airline Kogalymavia. More to come.[/quote] [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-31/russia-bound-airliner-crash-in-egypt/6902324[/url]

Unfortunately, [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/russian-plane-airbus-a231-crashes-in-egypt-with-221-people-on-board-a6716016.html"]it's been confirmed by the Prime Minister as having crashed[/URL]. Anyone who saw that earlier edit- sorry, I was thinking of earlier posts as I was typing. My fault.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;49019793]Unfortunately, [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/russian-plane-airbus-a231-crashes-in-egypt-with-221-people-on-board-a6716016.html]it's been confirmed by the Prime Minister as having been shot down[/url].[/QUOTE] It doesn't say in the article that it was shot down

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;49019796]It doesn't say in the article that it was shot down[/QUOTE] I got the same vibe as you.. I hope to fucking God it wasn't shot down though.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;49019796]It doesn't say in the article that it was shot down[/QUOTE] Corrected myself.

Karma ? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Awful post" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;49019813]Karma ?[/QUOTE] No. 200 families with no involvement to putin are not being punished due to karma

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;49019813]Karma ?[/QUOTE] That's a stupid fuck thing to say. Would it be karma for an American airline to go down because of our involvement in shady shit? The people are not the government nor should people attempt to paint them as such.

where is the undeniable satellite photo evidence of ukrainian jets shooting it down

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32814946/12195056_974059669300123_3121294248262241002_o.png[/img] Obviously not 100% accurate but it must have stalled, it climbed at about 4000fpm in the last minute. Just for reference, the A321 AFAIK has way lower climb rates than any other planes in the narrow body airbus series. Not sure what caused the sudden climb though. I don't know the weather at the time and this is just my speculation but I'm guessing the horizontal stabilizer might have malfunction or even fallen off.

[QUOTE=adam1172;49019868][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32814946/12195056_974059669300123_3121294248262241002_o.png[/img] Obviously not 100% accurate but it must have stalled, it climbed at about 4000fpm in the last minute. Just for reference, the A321 AFAIK has way lower climb rates than any other planes in the narrow body airbus series. Not sure what caused the sudden climb though. I don't know the weather at the time and this is just my speculation but I'm guessing the horizontal stabilizer might have malfunction or even fallen off.[/QUOTE] You probably won't be too far off the mark; all will unfold over time. Hope it wasn't a software issue that brought it down.

Yep, just got the news in that it crashed by Prime Minister of Egypt. Still no news on crashsite.

[QUOTE=adam1172;49019868] Not sure what caused the sudden climb though.[/QUOTE] Is that survivable?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49019910]Is that survivable?[/QUOTE] With that sudden loss of speed. Chances are the plane ripped apart in mid air. But this is ADS-B data, which uses magical algorithm to calculate the plane's velocity relatively to the earth using its location and not true airspeed. A plane can go completely vertical at 300kts and still report 0kts on flighradar24.

You can't trust data from many of the aircraft's systems during an accident. Many anomalous effects can produce false readings. [editline]31st October 2015[/editline] Hell, anomalous readings are the cause of many accidents.

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;49019813]Karma ?[/QUOTE] what the fuck is wrong with you dude

Very unusual that a stall alone would cause a crash The chart shows it starting to level out, they must of hit the mountain side before they could recover

On the surface it doesn't seem very coincidental that Egypt is dealing with an ISIS connected insurgency on the Sinai peninsula, and a plane full of Russians goes down there. This might not be pretty... [img]http://i63.tinypic.com/e8pn60.png[/img]

50 ambulances are off to scene amid reports of potential survivors. If there are, it would be a legitimate miracle.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;49019972]On the surface it doesn't seem very coincidental that Egypt is dealing with an ISIS connected insurgency on the Sinai peninsula, and a plane full of Russians goes down there. This might not be pretty... [img]http://i63.tinypic.com/e8pn60.png[/img][/QUOTE] I know they want to paint this as horrifying (and it is), but that would mean some passengers could potentially survive, which is great news.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49020027]I know they want to paint this as horrifying (and it is), but that would mean some passengers could potentially survive, which is great news.[/QUOTE] I think I'd rather be dead than suffer extreme PTSD and horrific burns.

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;49019813]Karma ?[/QUOTE] I'm positive the people on that plane had nothing to do with flight MH17, at all. Calling it karma is dumb.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;49020041]I think I'd rather be dead than suffer extreme PTSD and horrific burns.[/QUOTE] I for 100% certainty would rather be alive.

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;49020041]I think I'd rather be dead than suffer extreme PTSD and horrific burns.[/QUOTE] people can survive plane crashes with relatively minor injuries, or at least non life threatening injuries. The PTSD I can perhaps understand more, but that's also something you dont see in all individuals. People can and do go on with their lives, no matter what happened to them, though ofc that's not representative of everybody who goes through an experience that traumatic.

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[QUOTE=Superwafflez;49019972]On the surface it doesn't seem very coincidental that Egypt is dealing with an ISIS connected insurgency on the Sinai peninsula, and a plane full of Russians goes down there. This might not be pretty... [img]http://i63.tinypic.com/e8pn60.png[/img][/QUOTE] Trust Russians to survive a plane crash. They are a resilient lot.

I made a plot of last plane velocity & altitude based on raw ADS-B datapoints from FlightRadar24 [url]http://i.imgur.com/NGtDRx9.png[/url] (see below for better time-synced graph) This data checks out, I've verified balance of energy and it says that aircraft really DID do these manuvers (it did ascend rapidly, then descend - [del]twice,[/del] before stalling in the very end). Ballance of energy says that going from 30800 ft to 33500 ft will cause a drop from 407 ktas to around 325 ktas, when ADS-B has a recording of speed of 347 knots, very close to the value. Seems like a critical control system issue. Airspeed before the crash was 255 kias, at the first peak it dropped to 200 kias, [del]and at the second peak[/del] then it dropped to 170 kias, considering dynamic loads it must have been experiencing and the high altitude, that's pretty much stall speed. [del]According to total energy, the aircraft must have started losing thrust for one or other reason (like engine stall) approximately after the end of first peak, and by the end of second peak was already stalled.[/del] It was a single peak (see below) and aircraft stalled at the very peak. [del]Checking again how fast it gained altitude, it seems the aircraft went nearly vertically up.[/del]

Egypt officials confirmed no survivors [url]https://twitter.com/APDiploWriter/status/660428790443692032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/url]