Motorola Says Apple's iCloud Infringes On Patent In Germany, Presiding Judge Seems To Agree - Polidicks

Source: [url]http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/11/18/motorola-says-apples-icloud-infringes-on-patent-in-germany-presiding-judge-seems-to-agree/[/url] [quote] A court in Mannheim, Germany today held a preliminary hearing in a patent dispute between Motorola Mobility and Apple Sales International (a European Apple distribution subsidiary), and it seems like Apple's on the ropes. While the hearing didn't discuss the particular merits of Motorola's patent infringement claim against Apple, the presiding judge issued substantial blows to Apple's defense by indicating that he believed the patent-in-suit was ripe for trial. The judge also seemed to agree with Motorola's reading of that patent (also known as "construction claims") in important ways that would allow it a broader scope of applicability at trial. The judge did not seem interested in many of Apple's defenses, such as Motorola's claim lacking specificity, the patent in question being invalid, or that the patent should be construed more narrowly. What's the patent? While I can only speak to its US equivalent, it's a particular method by which a pager (yep - this patent was filed in 1995) synchronizes the user's settings across all of that user's pager devices utilizing a backend server to communicate the changes. The patent contains references to calendars, alarms, rolodexes, and acquaintances - basically, contact and calendar sync. Given that Motorola Android smartphones have their own proprietary sync and backup app, it's quite possible that this app is in some way based on technology described in this patent. Motorola asserts that Apple's iCloud (and formerly MobileMe) utilize the method described in this patent to synchronize information across devices. While Motorola's patent was described in the context of a pager, the actually claims in the patent use the word "transceiver" - which could be pretty much any electronic device capable of receiving wireless communications. It's likely this patent is involved in Motorola's ongoing countersuit against Apple here in the U.S., but most documents in that case have been filed under seal. Apple requested a $2.7 billion "bail" from Motorola that Apple would receive in the event that an injunction granted in favor of Motorola is overturned on appeal. The trial is scheduled for February next year.[/quote] Take [I]that[/I] Apple.

A taste of their own medicine.

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;33330499]A taste of their own medicine.[/QUOTE] Basically.

Motorolas pager is the same thing as icloud, yep, okay..

I'm not sure why anyone in this thread would praise Motorola. From looking at the patent in question it looks just as terrible and broad as anything Apple would do.

Why can't we co-exist?

All these stupid lawsuits are good for nothing and will only hurt the future development of technology. I think that is a shame.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;33330577]Why can't we co-exist?[/QUOTE] Not in Apple's master plan.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;33330577]Why can't we co-exist?[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;NBf47yRpOM8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBf47yRpOM8[/video]

[QUOTE=Zanfall;33330560]I'm not sure why anyone in this thread would praise Motorola. From looking at the patent in question it looks just as terrible and broad as anything Apple would do.[/QUOTE] Sitting and doing sod all back would do absolutely nothing to Apple, hopefuly more lawsuits like this can do some real damage given enough time.

[QUOTE=Zanfall;33330560]I'm not sure why anyone in this thread would praise Motorola. From looking at the patent in question it looks just as terrible and broad as anything Apple would do.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;33330499]A taste of their own medicine.[/QUOTE] Human nature really, don't act like you don't understand.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;33330724]Human nature really, don't act like you don't understand.[/QUOTE] I didn't realize double standards were part of human nature.

[QUOTE=Zanfall;33330766]I didn't realize double standards were part of human nature.[/QUOTE] They always were. Look at how iconic and old that medicine idiom is.

[QUOTE]The judge did not seem interested in many of Apple's defenses, such as Motorola's claim lacking specificity[/QUOTE] OH, NOW you want to be specific apple? After you just patented a hand gesture? Apple, your not allowed to be specific. You lost your rights to that by being douchebags.

I've had it with software lawsuits. They shouldn't be allowed.

"While Motorola's patent was described in the context of a pager, the actually claims in the patent use the word "transceiver" - which could be pretty much any electronic device capable of receiving wireless communications." That's actually the part of this whole article that caught my attention. For some reason, that scares me.

copy the design of the phone physically and through the software directly violating apple patents - nerds defend their laggy crap "oh its too general" accidentally copy a vague patent that is pretty general - nerds rejoice because the evil mainstream apple has been thwarted once again

Patent troll gets hit by patent trolling I'm on Motorola's side on this one, Apple deserves getting hit by their own shit

it's cool when anyone but apple does it!!

[QUOTE=Lazor;33337924]it's cool when anyone but apple does it!![/QUOTE] No its cool when anyone does it [I]to[/I] apple.

[QUOTE=Lazor;33337924]it's cool when anyone but apple does it!![/QUOTE] Probably because they submit actual legit evidence and nothing doctored unlike Apple.

[QUOTE=Zet;33338722]Probably because they submit actual legit evidence and nothing doctored unlike Apple.[/QUOTE] This isn't a design patent so that's irrelevant. This patent is also just as broad, maybe broader than Apple's patents.

The reason people are happy about Apple getting screwed over is because this shit wasn't happening before they started doing it. They abused their sickeningly generalized patents and had legal action taken against Google's Android device manufacturers in a poor attempt to bring Android crashing down.

so youd be fine with it if i directly stole your successful ideas you dumb nerd [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of permabanned user" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Retardando;33339621]so youd be fine with it if i directly copied your design[/QUOTE] You can only do so much with a mobile operating system or gadget. You shouldn't be patenting things like "square thing with a screen and a button on it able to make and receive telephone calls" and you shouldn't be patenting things like "grid-based, drag and drop homescreen" for your operating system. It's a fucking joke.

[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;33339009]The reason people are happy about Apple getting screwed over is because this shit wasn't happening before they started doing it. They abused their sickeningly generalized patents and had legal action taken against Google's Android device manufacturers in a poor attempt to bring Android crashing down.[/QUOTE] Yes it was you just never read the news or were like 11. This shit has been going on forever

Couldn't this lead to an escalation if the Google takeover goes through? Shit's about to get real

[QUOTE=Retardando;33339621]so youd be fine with it if i directly stole your successful ideas you dumb nerd[/QUOTE] Your name is very descriptive of your personality.

[QUOTE=Retardando;33339621]so youd be fine with it if i directly stole your successful ideas you dumb nerd[/QUOTE] [img]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-irony.gif[/img] Its ironic because 90% of the things Apple make aren't even their ideas.

[QUOTE=Retardando;33339621]so youd be fine with it if i directly stole your successful ideas you dumb nerd[/QUOTE] You are defending apple in a thread containing the words "patent and "apple" bad move