• British World War 2 submarine with 71 bodies inside found off Coast of Sardinia
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[QUOTE]The sunken wreck of a British submarine from the Second World War with 71 bodies sealed inside has been found by divers off the coast of Sardinia. The P311 submarine mysteriously disappeared 73 years ago in the Mediterranean and was found at a depth of 100 metres near the island of Tavolara by experienced Italian wreck-hunter, Massimo Domenico Bordone. The wreck was found after Mr Bardone noticed an 84-metre long and 80 metre wide object when he researched depths of 80 metres. HMS P311 went missing in January 1943, after making its last contact on New Year’s Eve, along with its crew. The discovery confirms all on board died. The ship sat on the Gallurese seabed, acting as a steel coffin and depriving the crew of oxygen. Experts suggest the inner chamber was not flooded when it sank.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/second-world-war-british-submarine-with-71-bodies-inside-found-off-coast-of-sardinia-a7048411.html[/url]
An absolutely horrific way to die. I wonder if any of them considered taking a round to the head to just end it at that point. If they had guns aboard. It reminds me of that one US Submarine which was sunk but the captain and some others managed to escape. Tang was it called? I forget.
Damn that reminds me of the episode of black lagoon where they find a sub full of germans perfectly preserved. What a terrible way to go
Being in a sub crew in WW2 was insanely hazardous even without enemy contact. I've read a few stories of subs sinking/running aground underwater, and good fucking god. I'd shoot myself in the head after saluting the rest of the crew rather than face massively-compressive drowning. But I'd have never volunteered for a sub crew in the first place. The stories are chilling, and they don't even have to present more than the established facts to convey how horrific being 100m underwater and losing containment would be. It didn't get much better during much of the Cold War, either, because of the constant shadow plays happening out of public sight and the massive secrecy involved if there was an accident. And many of these were nuclear-powered subs, with or without nukes onboard. The myth that the seabed has ever been harvested for manganese nodules arose from a CIA cover story to try and covertly recover the wreck of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-129_(1960)"]K-129[/URL], a Soviet nuclear sub that sunk in 1968 and was one of four mysterious sub losses that year. Project Azorian is still almost entirely classified and established the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_response"]Glomar response[/URL] of "we can't even answer your request" to FOIAs. [QUOTE]Mr Bardone noticed an 84-metre long and 80 metre wide object[/QUOTE] :xfiles:
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;50456433]An absolutely horrific way to die. I wonder if any of them considered taking a round to the head to just end it at that point. If they had guns aboard. It reminds me of that one US Submarine which was sunk but the captain and some others managed to escape. Tang was it called? I forget.[/QUOTE] Yes, the USS Tang. Made 5 war patrols in its very short life span. 33 confirmed kills, on her fifth and final war patrol she fired off her final torpedo which circled around and struck her. Captain Dick Ocaine survived along with a few others. I run a resiliency program for Submariners called "Tang Toughness Training" which is named for the Tang.
During the Second World War there was a system called the Davis Submerged Escape Apparatus which the crew probably could've used but at a depth of 100 meters I do not know if it was safe at all unlike the systems we have today.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;50456498]During the Second World War there was a system called the Davis Submerged Escape Apparatus which the crew probably could've used but at a depth of 100 meters I do not know if it was safe at all unlike the systems we have today.[/QUOTE] There was basically nothing safe about WW2-era subs, we as a species were still mastering the technology. German U-boats had diesel engines and tended to use batteries located in badly-placed locations. If salt water ever got inside, such as the case of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-1206"]U-1206[/URL], as soon as it hit the batteries it'd create chlorine gas in the sealed cabin environment. U-1206 was forced to surface in sight of British warships and got fucked up, forcing the captain to scuttle it and all hands to abandon (and get captured, less a few drowning casualties and one victim of the attack) eight days into its first real patrol and a mere 24 days before the end of the war.
Holy shit :wow:
Creepy. I can't imagine what it would be like to die in a cold hard steel box at the bottom of the ocean...
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50456533] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-1206"]U-1206[/URL][/QUOTE] I started reading that page and got to this bit: [quote]On 14 April 1945 ... [B]misuse of the new toilet[/B] caused large amounts of water to flood the boat.[/quote] Got curious... was lead to this: [url]https://warisboring.com/the-high-tech-toilet-that-destroyed-a-submarine-bed16ed1fa71[/url] [quote]Advanced as it was, the toilet was extremely complicated. First, it directed human waste through a series of chambers to a pressurized airlock. The contraption then [B]blasted it into the sea with compressed air, sort of like a poop torpedo[/B]. A [B]specialist on each submarine received training on proper toilet operating procedures[/B]. There was an exact order of opening and closing valves to ensure the system flowed in the correct direction. ... The submarine lurked 200 feet beneath the surface of the North Sea when [B]Schlitt decided that he could figure the toilet out himself[/B].[/quote] I feel kinda bad for laughing :c
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50456491]Being in a sub crew in WW2 was insanely hazardous even without enemy contact. It didn't get much better during much of the Cold War, either :xfiles:[/QUOTE] well it depends, the US and by extension, the west focused a lot on improving submarine designs and testing so our subs were very safe. the soviets were more interested in pushing limits and when accidents happened they usually swept them under the rug. i mean we never did stuff like accidentally irradiate the crew due to inadaquate shielding, or suffocate them by trying to run a diesel engine off of oxygen underwater, or irradiate them from faulty reactor designs [editline]4th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=PsiSoldier;50457303]I started reading that page and got to this bit: Got curious... was lead to this: [url]https://warisboring.com/the-high-tech-toilet-that-destroyed-a-submarine-bed16ed1fa71[/url] I feel kinda bad for laughing :c[/QUOTE] it could have been a coincidence though which makes you feel bad for the guy (if he survived) because they also may have hit some wreckage in the same location [editline]4th June 2016[/editline] [video=youtube;rBDlZ7EHx4E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDlZ7EHx4E[/video] the navy uses this system here, but they only work to a certain depth and if you don't use it right your lungs explode because of the pressure differential
An alternate theory raised in that article is that it hit a sunken wreck that was already there, as funny as a German sub commander getting uppity with toilet procedures and sinking the thing because he flooded the head. [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=extHtulFse0&t=444"]The story was just too good for the QI elves not to run, though.[/URL]
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50456495]Yes, the USS Tang. Made 5 war patrols in its very short life span. 33 confirmed kills, on her fifth and final war patrol she fired off her final torpedo which circled around and struck her. Captain Dick Ocaine survived along with a few others. I run a resiliency program for Submariners called "Tang Toughness Training" which is named for the Tang.[/QUOTE] Glad my memory is still accurate at least.
Speaking of subs, does anyone know what ended up happening with that really old Russian one they found in the (?)Baltic sea?
[QUOTE=Sableye;50457340] [video=youtube;rBDlZ7EHx4E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDlZ7EHx4E[/video] the navy uses this system here, but they only work to a certain depth and if you don't use it right your lungs explode because of the pressure differential[/QUOTE] SEIE suits are more for emotional support than anything else. They technically work up to 600ft, but you'd be massively fucked up if you survived the ascent. Your eardrums would explode. The nose clip you're supposed to use for performing the valsalva technique protecting your ears would end up killing you because your sinuses would also explode, draining out every hole they can find. Would typically be your nose, but if that's clipped, it's coming out your mouth. Out your mouth means you aren't breathing, leading to your lungs exploding during the ascent. You are also guaranteed to die if you are at a depth of 600ft for longer than 30 seconds, the nitrogen buildup in your system in that time will have you dead before you get to the surface. Technically, our escape trunks can pressurize and get you out of there faster than 30 seconds, but not by a whole lot. Any attempt at escaping deeper means you're pretty much boned. In a nutshell, it's there to provide false hope. At the end of the day, if a sub is bottomed out, all it can do is launch a beacon and hope a survivable atmosphere can be maintained until rescue.
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;50460548]SEIE suits are more for emotional support than anything else. They technically work up to 600ft, but you'd be massively fucked up if you survived the ascent. Your eardrums would explode. The nose clip you're supposed to use for performing the valsalva technique protecting your ears would end up killing you because your sinuses would also explode, draining out every hole they can find. Would typically be your nose, but if that's clipped, it's coming out your mouth. Out your mouth means you aren't breathing, leading to your lungs exploding during the ascent. You are also guaranteed to die if you are at a depth of 600ft for longer than 30 seconds, the nitrogen buildup in your system in that time will have you dead before you get to the surface. Technically, our escape trunks can pressurize and get you out of there faster than 30 seconds, but not by a whole lot. Any attempt at escaping deeper means you're pretty much boned. In a nutshell, it's there to provide false hope. At the end of the day, if a sub is bottomed out, all it can do is launch a beacon and hope a survivable atmosphere can be maintained until rescue.[/QUOTE] Remind me never to consider serving on submarines :ohno:
[QUOTE=Mallow234;50460564]Remind me never to consider serving on submarines :ohno:[/QUOTE] I've enjoyed it so far. A lot of people aren't cut out for it though and end up tapping out, we just had a guy tap out yesterday. Nothing shameful about that, it just takes a certain kind of person.
Maybe it's my claustrophobia but just imagining being on a cramped submarine hundreds of metres below the surface in the middle of nowhere sounds like my worst nightmare. In fact being in a cramped *anything* hundreds of metres below the surface sounds terrifying. Really makes me want to just go outside and lie in a wide open field. At least that way I can escape without my head exploding or some other horrible pressure-related death.
Reminds me of the Kursk in some ways, here's the story on that one. Worth a listen. [url]http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Shipwreck-Tale-The-Kursk/tabid/506/articleID/37633/Default.aspx[/url]
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;50460597]I've enjoyed it so far. A lot of people aren't cut out for it though and end up tapping out, we just had a guy tap out yesterday. Nothing shameful about that, it just takes a certain kind of person.[/QUOTE] Wait until you're on a boomer...
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50462213]Wait until you're on a boomer...[/QUOTE] Most of the boomer guys I've spoken to said it was their easiest and most enjoyable time underway, at least for sonar techs. Sonar techs on boomers have the most cheese dick job, they barely do anything at all. Also a lot more room on boomers. Despite the fuckhuge size of the Seawolf, we're probably the most cramped design. Even 688s seem to have more moving around room/living space.
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