Robocalls In 2011 Canadian Election Proved and SURPRISE, IT'S NOT THE TORIES!
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[url]http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/08/24/matt-gurney-liberals-repeat-liberals-fined-for-robocalls-in-guelph/[/url]
[quote=The National Post]Canadians learned a new word after the last federal election in May, 2011: Robocall. A robocall is a phone call that automatically dials assigned numbers and plays a recorded message. They are used extensively by marketing firms and political parties eager to get their message to Canadians. Earlier this year, allegations emerged that Conservative party operatives were using robocalls to interfere with voting in several ridings across Canada, notably Guelph, Ont. It has been alleged that the calls were designed to mislead Liberal and NDP voters into believing that the location of their polling station had been changed. Under the Elections Act, any effort to prevent another citizen from voting is illegal.
Investigations continue to seek out the identify of “Pierre Poutine”, the alias of the individual believed responsible for organizing the robocalls, for which the Conservatives deny any responsibility. And it is far from the only ethical issue the federal Tories are having to deal with right now — MP Dean Del Mastro, who led the Tory counterattack against robocalls allegations, is now himself under investigation for donation irregularities.
The Conservatives may have just caught a break, however. On Friday, the CRTC released a judgment fining Guelph MP Frank Valeriote, a member of the Liberal party. Mr. Valeriote, who will be fined $4,900, was found to have used robocalls during the last campaign that did not identify the Liberal party as the source. That’s against the rules, and Mr. Valeriote has accepted responsibility for this action.
This inadvertent error does not change the situation regarding the alleged Conservative misdeeds. The investigations into Pierre Poutine, and Mr. Del Mastro, will continue, and could be serious headaches for Prime Minister Stephen Harper down the road. But you can bet on the Tories using the CRTC’s ruling against Mr. Valeriote to their advantage — every time a Liberal tries to attack the Tories on robocalls, you know exactly how they’ll respond — with howls and shouts of hypocrisy.
There’s something familiar about this. Earlier this year, while the Liberals were gleefully savaging the Tories for Vic Toews’ charge that opponents of an internet surveillance bill were “with us or with the child pornographers” interim Liberal leader Bob Rae was forced to publicly admit it was a Liberal party staffer who had leaked personal, and embarrassing, details of Mr. Toews messy divorce on Twitter. That didn’t make Mr. Toews comment any less ludicrous, but it took the wind out of the Liberal sails and provided Mr. Toews with an escape route.
Now the Liberals have done it again, getting caught playing the same game for which they lambaste the Tories. No matter what findings are eventually released on the allegations against the Conservatives, Mr. Valeriote has helped them mitigate the damage.
National Post[/quote]
After MONTHS and HUNDREDS of articles of left-wing "journalists" accusing the Conservatives of robocalls based off of no factual evidence whatsoever that it was their party, it's hilarious and disgusting to see the silence across the national, generally liberal media once they found out that their preferred party was actually the one guilty of robocalls, NOT the Tories as they'd all reported. And while investigations into the Tories still continue on, with only an alias of "Pierre Poutine," a distinctly French name, which is uncharacteristic of the Tories, to go on and no factual evidence linking it back to the party, with Elections Canada having received only 1300 reports across the country, not enough to invalidate the results in any given riding, now whenever the topic comes up the Tories can cry "Hypocrite" across the floor now that the Liberals have been put to shame for this. And is there any apology from these so-called "journalists" or "reporters" for their baseless allegations towards the Tories? Of course not, because it doesn't conform to their spin they like to use, that the Liberals are saints and can do no wrong and the Tories are evil, and also because journalistic integrity is DEAD. The media in this country disgusts me sometimes, especially the fact that our federal broadcaster, the CBC, which is supposed to be completely neutral and provide fair news to the populace, has a left-wing spin.
The Conservative Party are assholes, the Liberal party is anything but liberal. They're really two-timing crooks. At least the NDP kept its nose clean.
I still hate them.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;37397750][url]http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/08/24/matt-gurney-liberals-repeat-liberals-fined-for-robocalls-in-guelph/[/url]
After MONTHS and HUNDREDS of articles of left-wing "journalists" accusing the Conservatives of robocalls based off of no factual evidence whatsoever that it was their party, it's hilarious and disgusting to see the silence across the national, generally liberal media once they found out that their preferred party was actually the one guilty of robocalls, NOT the Tories as they'd all reported. And while investigations into the Tories still continue on, with only an alias of "Pierre Poutine," a distinctly French name, which is uncharacteristic of the Tories, to go on and no factual evidence linking it back to the party, with Elections Canada having received only 1300 reports across the country, not enough to invalidate the results in any given riding, now whenever the topic comes up the Tories can cry "Hypocrite" across the floor now that the Liberals have been put to shame for this. And is there any apology from these so-called "journalists" or "reporters" for their baseless allegations towards the Tories? Of course not, because it doesn't conform to their spin they like to use, that the Liberals are saints and can do no wrong and the Tories are evil, and also because journalistic integrity is DEAD. The media in this country disgusts me sometimes, especially the fact that our federal broadcaster, the CBC, which is supposed to be completely neutral and provide fair news to the populace, has a left-wing spin.[/QUOTE]
This just in - your post is shit. Not like your obvious bias needs to be pointed out any more, but even the article states that the conservatives have not been found innocent, just that a liberal has been found guilty. Not that I like the liberals either, but your preferred party is even more shit.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;37397750]After MONTHS and HUNDREDS of articles of left-wing "journalists" accusing the Conservatives of robocalls based off of no factual evidence whatsoever that it was their party, it's hilarious and disgusting to see the silence across the national, generally liberal media once they found out that their preferred party was actually the one guilty of robocalls, NOT the Tories as they'd all reported. And while investigations into the Tories still continue on, with only an alias of "Pierre Poutine," a distinctly French name, which is uncharacteristic of the Tories, to go on and no factual evidence linking it back to the party, with Elections Canada having received only 1300 reports across the country, not enough to invalidate the results in any given riding, now whenever the topic comes up the Tories can cry "Hypocrite" across the floor now that the Liberals have been put to shame for this. And is there any apology from these so-called "journalists" or "reporters" for their baseless allegations towards the Tories? Of course not, because it doesn't conform to their spin they like to use, that the Liberals are saints and can do no wrong and the Tories are evil, and also because journalistic integrity is DEAD. The media in this country disgusts me sometimes, especially the fact that our federal broadcaster, the CBC, which is supposed to be completely neutral and provide fair news to the populace, has a left-wing spin.[/QUOTE]
THIS is what makes your opinion sound AWFUL from the START. As Elspin has said, this does NOT imply the Tories are INNOCENT, just that the left-wing "liberals" are themselves GUILTY.
From the ARTICLE:
[quote]This inadvertent error does not change the situation regarding the alleged Conservative misdeeds.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Elspin;37397925]This just in - your post is shit. Not like your obvious bias needs to be pointed out any more, but even the article states that the conservatives have not been found innocent, just that a liberal has been found guilty. Not that I like the liberals either, but your preferred party is even more shit.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a huge fan of the Tories either, especially with them trying to fuck with the Internet and their recent cutbacks on scientific research, but I hate them the least of all the shit that resides in this country. I just really hate the Liberals.
And I say that because it's true, Matt Gurney is a conservative reporter for the National Post, and he's the only one aside from Sun News I've seen reporting this, whereas when allegations from a mere 2 left-wing journalists showed up that it was the Tories; CBC, CTV, the Toronto Star and various other left-leaning outlets were all over it, taking any chance they could to make the Tories look bad, but now that the Liberals have been found guilty of this they're silent, because that's not the party the media wants to make look bad, so they're trying to keep it hushed. I call the media bias here not because I wish the bias to fly in the other direction, no, I don;t want the media to be baselessly blasting the Liberals or NDP instead of the Conservatives, I say this because I want them to stop baselessly blasting anyone and report on facts rather than opinions and gossip among some op-eds that arise in the Ottawa Citizen or the National Post and decide to make a media shit about it because it blasts the party they don't like.
I can understand the initial op-eds, it's an opinion piece, my issue is those op-eds turned into hundreds of full-on reports with literally nothing linking the robocalls to the Tories except the content, which could have just as easily been either non-partisan or a conspiracy from across the floor. The reporters had no facts to go on, but they reported it as being the Tories, they all said it had to have been the Tories, but they had no proof. I don't mind if they have facts proving the Tories did something, but the whole robocalls thing is based on rumour, but now that there's fact, they're all quiet because it wasn't what they wanted to hear.
[editline]25th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Krinkels;37398058]THIS is what makes your opinion sound AWFUL from the START. As Elspin has said, this does NOT imply the Tories are INNOCENT, just that the left-wing "liberals" are themselves GUILTY.
From the ARTICLE:[/QUOTE]
Note I mentioned I recognized that the investigation into the Tories was ongoing still, however I still press that the reports that the Tories did it is baeless and it was poor reporting to insist they had with no proof. My issue is in that now that there has been a guilty conviction handed out for a robocall the media's been silent on it because while being different from the other case, after having the Grits and Liberal media blast the Tories for so long about this only to then be convicted themselves makes them look bad, especially after their accusations across the table and claiming they'd never do such things as fraudulently make robocalls, and the liberal media doesn't want to make the Liberals look bad.
Clearly the NDP are saints that can do no wrong then.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;37398224]Clearly the NDP are saints that can do no wrong then.[/QUOTE]
I will say Jack was an honest man, moreso than can be said for the other 2 leaders at the time, and I think he'd keep a better grip on his party than the other 2 because he had more to gain in being honest, the last thing they needed in their "rise to glory" was allegations of some form of misconduct.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;37398190]I'm not a huge fan of the Tories either, especially with them trying to fuck with the Internet and their recent cutbacks on scientific research, but I hate them the least of all the shit that resides in this country. I just really hate the Liberals.
And I say that because it's true, Matt Gurney is a conservative reporter for the National Post, and he's the only one aside from Sun News I've seen reporting this, whereas when allegations from a mere 2 left-wing journalists showed up that it was the Tories; CBC, CTV, the Toronto Star and various other left-leaning outlets were all over it, taking any chance they could to make the Tories look bad, but now that the Liberals have been found guilty of this they're silent, because that's not the party the media wants to make look bad, so they're trying to keep it hushed. I call the media bias here not because I wish the bias to fly in the other direction, no, I don;t want the media to be baselessly blasting the Liberals or NDP instead of the Conservatives, I say this because I want them to stop baselessly blasting anyone and report on facts rather than opinions and gossip among some op-eds that arise in the Ottawa Citizen or the National Post and decide to make a media shit about it because it blasts the party they don't like.
I can understand the initial op-eds, it's an opinion piece, my issue is those op-eds turned into hundreds of full-on reports with literally nothing linking the robocalls to the Tories except the content, which could have just as easily been either non-partisan or a conspiracy from across the floor. The reporters had no facts to go on, but they reported it as being the Tories, they all said it had to have been the Tories, but they had no proof. I don't mind if they have facts proving the Tories did something, but the whole robocalls thing is based on rumour, but now that there's fact, they're all quiet because it wasn't what they wanted to hear.
[editline]25th August 2012[/editline]
Note I mentioned I recognized that the investigation into the Tories was ongoing still, however I still press that the reports that the Tories did it is baeless and it was poor reporting to insist they had with no proof. My issue is in that now that there has been a guilty conviction handed out for a robocall the media's been silent on it because while being different from the other case, after having the Grits and Liberal media blast the Tories for so long about this only to then be convicted themselves makes them look bad, especially after their accusations across the table and claiming they'd never do such things as fraudulently make robocalls, and the liberal media doesn't want to make the Liberals look bad.[/QUOTE]
Do you have any idea how crazy you sound? Literally all the "liberal" news outlets you mentioned have reported on this exact same subject. Not to mention hating the conservatives the least is kinda like hating a flesh eating disease the least. You're trying to make it sound like there's some kind of crazy liberal conspiracy between all the major news outlets and the conservatives are trying to get it out, that's bullshit. The reality is there's way more attention to the conservative robocalls accusation because more people claimed they were misled by them, and the conservatives [b]won[/b].
In case you still actually believe that the "liberal" media is "silent" in embarrassment:
[url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/08/24/pol-robocalls-valeriote-election-violation.html[/url]
[url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/guelph-liberals-fined-4-900-for-breaking-robocall-rules-1.928414[/url]
[url]http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1145085--liberal-mp-apologizes-over-robocalls[/url]
[QUOTE=Elspin;37398287]Do you have any idea how crazy you sound? Literally all the "liberal" news outlets you mentioned have reported on this exact same subject. Not to mention hating the conservatives the least is kinda like hating a flesh eating disease the least. You're trying to make it sound like there's some kind of crazy liberal conspiracy between all the major news outlets and the conservatives are trying to get it out, that's bullshit. The reality is there's way more attention to the conservative robocalls accusation because more people claimed they were misled by them, and the conservatives [b]won[/b].
In case you still actually believe that the "liberal" media is "silent" in embarrassment:
[url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/08/24/pol-robocalls-valeriote-election-violation.html[/url]
[url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/guelph-liberals-fined-4-900-for-breaking-robocall-rules-1.928414[/url]
[url]http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1145085--liberal-mp-apologizes-over-robocalls[/url][/QUOTE]
Thank you for proving me wrong, I retract my statement on the silence of the media, apologize for blasting them so hard, though I maintain my position on the existence of a bias. Admittedly I should have done more research prior to my allegations on this particular issue, though it is still not quite to the degree they reported on the other issue, it is also not as silent as I made it seem.
However, as the other robocall investigation centres around Guelph, where the Tories [b]lost[/b], your statement is not entirely true, though not entirely false, as in many of the other ridings the Tories did win, though I do call into question the validity and/or relevancy of some of the claims; if a riding has many people claim to be misled then I have on question on the validity, but if only one or two come forward, and only after allegations elsewhere made the news, I'd be suspicious of the intentions of the people, but I stress that doesn't mean some form of investigation is not in order.
Also, that's your opinion on the political spectrum, I'd compare the Grits more to flesh eating disease than the Tories due to my opinions on it, I'd compare the Tories moreso to a curable STD. It's getting to the point where I don't want to vote for anyone anymore because they all suck.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;37398224]Clearly the NDP are saints that can do no wrong then.[/QUOTE]
NDP will have a bad taste with Ontarians for awhile, When Bob Rae was the premier of Ontario he fucked up the education system so badly.
[QUOTE=TGiFallen;37398573]NDP will have a bad taste with Ontarians for awhile, When Bob Rae was the premier of Ontario he fucked up the education system so badly.[/QUOTE]
This is why I hoped he'd become the leader of the Grits, they'd lose what they loved most, Ontario, and they'd be utterly destroyed.
I really hate the Grits, they've been attacking my future interests since I was 2. Admittedly, my hatred of the Grits and distrust of the NDP's ability to handle money, and the fact that they support the Grits on the reasons I hate them are why my voting tends to lean to the Tories, but I hate them for other reasons, and to hell if I'm ever going to vote Green, and there's usually no other choice in my riding.
I feel sometimes like I should sign up and run for the Rhino Party in my riding as the throwaway vote and comedic relief at all-candidates meetings just so people have a true throwaway to toss their vote at.
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