Arson Attack On German Paper That Republished Hebdo Cartoons - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A German newspaper that reprinted cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed from satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo has been targeted in an arson attack.Hamburger Morgenpost, a regional tabloid in Hamburg, had splashed three cartoons on its front page after the deadly attack in Paris earlier this week. The headline read: "This much freedom must be possible!" A police spokesman, giving details of the attack, said: "Rocks and then a burning object were thrown through the window. "Two rooms on lower floors were damaged but the fire was put out quickly." No one was hurt in the attack, which happened around 1.20am UK time. "Thick smoke is still hanging in the air, the police are looking for clues," the newspaper said on its website. Two men suspected of carrying out the attack were detained near the building, police said, without giving any further details.[/QUOTE] [url]http://news.sky.com/story/1396550/arson-attack-on-paper-that-ran-hebdo-cartoons[/url] Dammit.

People can be some next level shitheads sometimes, god-damn.

If it was an immigrant who did this than somebody should be deported. If it was a citizen than somebody should be jailed.

The marches will only become stronger if actions like these continue. If anything, nationalism is being fuelled by those who seek to destroy it.

Ah shit, I live near Hamburg. Jesus christ, can't we just have some freedom? I just hope they find those fuckers.

Can EVERY Newspaper printer/publisher in Europe reprint these cartoons to show these terrorists they can't touch us all?

So why exactly are protests against the islamization of western countries condemned?

[QUOTE=Impact1986;46904269]So why exactly are protests against the islamization of western countries condemned?[/QUOTE] Because we're civilized and should always cater to the less fortunate immigrants. But when they start pulling this kind of shit we'll have to get the broom from the cabinet and give'em a damn good trashing.

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[QUOTE=Impact1986;46904269]So why exactly are protests against the islamization of western countries condemned?[/QUOTE] Because you'd have to be a moron to think that the majority of Muslims support these and that it's not attacks by lone extremists.

[QUOTE=macdoo999;46904596]Because you'd have to be a moron to think that the majority of Muslims support these and that it's not attacks by lone extremists.[/QUOTE] [media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg[/media]

[QUOTE=Impact1986;46904269]So why exactly are protests against the islamization of western countries condemned?[/QUOTE] Because Islam has nothing to do with this. Okay they're Muslims and they think what they're doing is for Islam but they're wrong. Islam is a loving religion just like Christianity, it's messages and it's wisdom are essentially the same. It has a beautiful culture and history of art and music surrounding it. It's only in these incredibly rare cases where it has been used by corrupt evil people to hypnotize povertous, uneducated, angry, oppressed people to do their bidding and wage their wars just as pretty much any other religion and civilization has in the past. The vast vast vast vast majority of Muslims are ordinary, loving people like you or me with the same moral values. A whole enormous culture cannot be held accountable for what some twisted people do, just as you or I cannot be held accountable for what the west has done to the arab world in the last few decades. Essentially what I'm trying to say is Islamization of Western cultures has nothing to do with this issue.

[QUOTE=macdoo999;46904596]Because you'd have to be a moron to think that the majority of Muslims support these and that it's not attacks by lone extremists.[/QUOTE] But it's also delusional to think all attacks are done by lone wolves and that no one supports them.

[QUOTE=IForgotPassword;46903943]Can EVERY Newspaper printer/publisher in Europe reprint these cartoons to show these terrorists they can't touch us all?[/QUOTE] Release them online. They can't burn internet.

Good thing we always get a unified and widely broadcasted public message condemning these attacks from islamic leaders

[QUOTE=macdoo999;46904596]Because you'd have to be a moron to think that the majority of Muslims support these and that it's not attacks by lone extremists.[/QUOTE] Lmao. They're not "lone" at all, saying that is moronic. There are radical groups in Islam, which operate all over the world to indoctrinate people into doing this sort of shit. Problem is not much is done about them.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;46904758]Because Islam has nothing to do with this. Okay they're Muslims and they think what they're doing is for Islam but they're wrong. Islam is a loving religion just like Christianity, it's messages and it's wisdom are essentially the same. It has a beautiful culture and history of art and music surrounding it. It's only in these incredibly rare cases where it has been used by corrupt evil people to hypnotize povertous, uneducated, angry, oppressed people to do their bidding and wage their wars just as pretty much any other religion and civilization has in the past. The vast vast vast vast majority of Muslims are ordinary, loving people like you or me with the same moral values. A whole enormous culture cannot be held accountable for what some twisted people do, just as you or I cannot be held accountable for what the west has done to the arab world in the last few decades. Essentially what I'm trying to say is Islamization of Western cultures has nothing to do with this issue.[/QUOTE] One portion of Muslims promotes peace, and one portion believes jihad is the way. But you can't say one of them is "real Islam" and the other isn't; this is completely arbitrary.

Maybe everyone in the world should just stop practicing inherently violent and insane archaic abrahamic religions there's a crazy idea

[QUOTE=macdoo999;46904596]Because you'd have to be a moron to think that the majority of Muslims support these and that it's not attacks by lone extremists.[/QUOTE] The majority of muslims support these. At least here they do.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;46904773]But it's also delusional to think all attacks are done by lone wolves and that no one supports them.[/QUOTE] There are organizations who call themselves Muslims, the point is that they don't represent the majority of Muslims nor do they represent the teachings of Islam as a whole. They represent a twisted, wrong interpretation of their religion.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;46904758]The vast vast vast vast majority of Muslims are ordinary, loving people like you or me with the same moral values.[/QUOTE] seriously people should stop saying this until there's a conclusive poll made worldwide of just what "most muslims" support and what kind of beliefs they might maintain, stop assuming that most are "loving people". the same level of standard goes both ways here btw, meaning that saying "most muslims are spiteful extremists" is just as wrong as saying most are loving. (however since most muslims live in poverty-ridden and war torn nations i'd say it's safe to assume that naturally, most would be pretty spiteful to say the least. which wouldn't be strictly because they're muslims, but because generally shitty countries tend to harbor shitty people.) also islam isn't a culture.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;46904269]So why exactly are protests against the islamization of western countries condemned?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.lbc.co.uk/james-obriens-masterclass-on-how-to-deal-with-people-who-blame-muslims-for-paris-attack-102995[/url] [editline]11th January 2015[/editline] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/10/lassana-bathily_n_6448500.html[/url]

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;46904888]There are organizations who call themselves Muslims, the point is that they don't represent the majority of Muslims nor do they represent the teachings of Islam as a whole. They represent a twisted, wrong interpretation of their religion.[/QUOTE] There are many ways to interpret the Quran or the Bible but what makes you say the radical interpretations are wrong? Do you happen to know what God himself meant when the books were written? (Or, more realistically, do you happen to know what Muhammad and the various Bible writers meant?)

ISIS are not lone-wolf pocket extremists like Al Qaeda is the thing here. They're both not interchangeable for arguments sake. A [I]substantial[/I] amount of Muslims support radical violent behavior. Yeah, maybe not enough to be considered a majority over a minority, but still way too much to not be considered a legitimate problem within the religion.

I keep seeing these threads pop up and I try my best to not post because whatever I post may come off as angry, but I had enough at this point. The problem here isnt Islam, its extremism. When you take any idea to an extreme bad stuff happens, whether it be religious ideologies, political ones, social ones, so on. Islam is facing its share of problems right now, yes, but to say to most Muslims support this terror is absolutely insane. Why don't you see more Muslim people coming out to the light? Because ignorant people like some of the posters here will go out and criticize them just for their beliefs. Muslims try to stay quiet because groups like ISIS have shown again and again that they hold violent grudges (no argument there at all). Heck, if you oppose ISIS, not only will you be killed, not only your family, but your entire damn VILLAGE will be slaughtered (this happened before, ISIS is terrible). So of course people tend to stay silent, because they are afraid. And if you think this is limited to Islam, you are delusional. Remember the thing known as the crusades? Where who knows how many died in the "name" of Christianity? The whole middle ages thing, with the churches sitting on top with all the power through violent oppression and their twisted ideologies of Christianity. Do you honestly think that the christian extremist groups, like Westboro Baptist Church, won't try doing the same awful things in the name of religion if given the power of ISIS? Of course they would, they are extremists. Extremists and the groups that support them (ISIS, KKK) are the ones at fault here, not the groups of people they "claim" to represent. Going back to the dark ages thing, do you know what got us out of it? Do you know what made people stop whipping themselves to death for gods forgiveness during the time of the black plague? It was knowledge. People started learning, science was born. Soon people like Galileo realized that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe. Soon people started realizing that there was more to medicine than just prayer. People begun to stand up against the church, the Age of Enlightenment was born. The church lost its grasp because the people became knowledgeable. I am not certain if you people noticed this, but a lot of the countries in the middle east are screwed up politically. One of the most ridiculous things is in that quite a few of those countries, its insanely hard to get into a higher education. My father, for example, was kicked out of university because "he wasn't religious enough." A lot changed since then, (In fact, just a few months ago, a Woman from Iran won the fields prize, the Nobel prize of math) but the system is still messed up. Groups like ISIS arent helping either, by restricting all information sources to only their own propaganda (which is ironic, since one of the Pillars of Islam is to learn and educate yourself). Sorry for my rant there, but people, please, do not go out blaming an entire religion for the acts of an extremist group. I believe we can move on from that. Instead, we should focus on eliminating those terrorist groups from the face of the earth.

[QUOTE=IForgotPassword;46903943]Can EVERY Newspaper printer/publisher in Europe reprint these cartoons to show these terrorists they can't touch us all?[/QUOTE] Fuck that, every god damn media news outlet should fucking put a starting page about this shit. Show the god damn world to not back down from this.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;46904888]There are organizations who call themselves Muslims, the point is that they don't represent the majority of Muslims nor do they represent the teachings of Islam as a whole. They represent a twisted, wrong interpretation of their religion.[/QUOTE] And who are you to judge this? Which interpretation is the correct one? Why? Honestly, to say that its a "twisted, wrong interpretation of the religion" is just confusing at best. This is the religion that was born when a guy united the Arab tribes and conquered the entire middle east, killing a lot of people in the process. It's a pretty rocky start for a religion.

I dunno about this whole "get every paper to print the cartoon" thing, and I know that I'm going to get boxes for this, but printing the pictures to say fuck you to the extremists is also just pissing on a load of Muslims. You could condemn the extremists without printing Muhammed. Of course papers should have the right to do it, and satirists shouldn't be afraid of doing it, but regular newspapers printing it is just going to cause more friction which really isn't needed.

[QUOTE=Hiccuper;46905291]I dunno about this whole "get every paper to print the cartoon" thing, and I know that I'm going to get boxes for this, but printing the pictures to say fuck you to the extremists is also just pissing on a load of Muslims. You could condemn the extremists without printing Muhammed. Of course papers should have the right to do it, and satirists shouldn't be afraid of doing it, but regular newspapers printing it is just going to cause more friction which really isn't needed.[/QUOTE] Printing it also shows that the papers aren't going to be silenced by threat of physical force. If they shouldn't print it because of the fear of what may happen, then you don't have freedom of speech.

I love how it's always "There's a huge majority of muslims that support this" "Okay who" *silence* or at the most, a couple tweets from shitbags