[quote][B]Turkey accuses France of genocide in colonial Algeria[/B]
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Mr Erdogan said there were "massacres" in Algeria where Algerians were "burned en masse in ovens"
[B]The Turkish prime minister has accused France of committing genocide during its colonial occupation of Algeria.
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Recep Tayyip Erdogan was speaking after French MPs passed a bill making it a criminal act to deny that Ottoman Turks committed genocide in 1915-16 Armenia.
He accused President Nicolas Sarkozy of using the bill to fan hatred of Muslims and Turks for electoral gain.
He said Mr Sarkozy should "ask his father, who served in the French Legion there" about the Algerian "massacre".
[B]Year in jail
[/B]Ankara has already recalled its ambassador to France and frozen political visits and joint military projects over the bill.
And Mr Erdogan has warned he will take further unspecified steps.
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Turkey and the Armenians[/B]
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Hundreds of thousands of ethnic Armenians died during mass deportations by Ottoman Turks in 1915-6
More than 20 countries say it was genocide.
Turkey and some historians say it was part of widespread turmoil in World War I in which Muslims also died
Estimated 500,000 ethnic Armenians now in France.
Turkey closed Armenia border in 1993 because of conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh
Turkey signed 2009 deal with Armenia to examine 1915 killings and open borders: ratified by neither side
"In Algeria from 1945, an estimated 15% of the population was massacred by the French. This is a genocide," he said. "The Algerians were burned en masse in ovens. They were martyred mercilessly."
He added: "The vote in the French parliament has shown how dangerous racism, discrimination and Islamophobia have become in France and Europe."
If passed into law, Thursday's bill would mean anybody who publicly denied the Armenian "genocide" would face a year in jail and a fine of 45,000 euros (£29,000; $58,000).
Mr Sarkozy has hinted the bill has his approval, though his Foreign Minister, Alain Juppe, has described it as useless and counter-productive.
There are some 500,000 voters of Armenian descent in France and they are seen as a key source of support for Mr Sarkozy.
Armenians say up to 1.5 million people were killed by the Ottoman Turks in 1915-16.
Ankara says closer to 300,000 people died, and that Turks were also killed as Armenians rose up against the Ottoman Empire when Russian troops invaded eastern Anatolia, now eastern Turkey.
More than 20 countries have formally recognised the killings as genocide.
France invaded Algeria in 1830 and it remained under French rule until independence in 1962.
The number of people killed in the eight-year independence war from 1954-1962 varies widely according to different sources, ranging from 300,000 to more than one million.
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"No, YOU!"
Most nations are guilty of committing genocide at some point in history or another. The Americans, Belgians, English, French, Dutch, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, Japanese, Russians, Turks, Persians, Chinese, Indians, etc. We've all done it.
Got a source, by chance?
Every country has a bloody history. The challenge is to find as country that hasn't commited genocide in the past.
[QUOTE=jellybaby34;33863341]Every country has a bloody history. The challenge is to find as country that hasn't commited genocide in the past.[/QUOTE]
Sealand?
[QUOTE=LCBADs;33863377]Sealand?[/QUOTE]
All those illegally downloaded music files, never forget.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33863234]Most nations are guilty of committing genocide at some point in history or another. The Americans, Belgians, English, French, Dutch, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, Japanese, Russians, Turks, Persians, Chinese, Indians, etc. We've all done it.
Got a source, by chance?[/QUOTE]
Wait!
We were also pioneers in slavery...
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33863234]Most nations are guilty of committing genocide at some point in history or another. The Americans, Belgians, English, French, Dutch, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, Japanese, Russians, Turks, Persians, Chinese, Indians, etc. We've all done it.
Got a source, by chance?[/QUOTE]
Not us!
France should just come out and admit it to make Turkey look like a turkey for not admitting it
[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;33863414]Not us![/QUOTE]
You were just too busy doing Scandinavian stuff, like forming and dissolving alliances, unions, etc. and occasionally fighting with each other. :v:
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33863234]
Got a source, by chance?[/QUOTE]
Woops. Just added it.
Latvia is clear, if you do not count the Holocaust collaborationists.
[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;33863414]Not us![/QUOTE]
Yeah you lot just raped and pillaged indiscriminately.
meh, countries accuse other countries of stuff such as this
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33863234]Dutch
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Fuck you we're perfect.
Not like those dirty Spanish, killing whole tribes.
Dirty Americunt.
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[QUOTE=dass;33863407]Wait!
We were also pioneers in slavery...[/QUOTE]
HAH!
WE TOPPED YOU IN RACISM!
[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;33863414]Not us![/QUOTE]8th June 793 never forget.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33864429]Yeah you lot just raped and pillaged [b]indiscriminately[/b].[/QUOTE]
Atleast they weren't racist vikings.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33863507]You were just too busy doing Scandinavian stuff, like forming and dissolving alliances, unions, etc. and occasionally fighting with each other. :v:[/QUOTE]Don't forget raping the english, french and probably the rest of europe too.
I'm accusing the Belgians of genocide in Congo.
[QUOTE=LCBADs;33863377]Sealand?[/QUOTE]
Well actually there was an attempted coup there years back, some dude hired mercenaries and a helicopter to take over the place and kill the "king" so since he was the only inhabitant of the country it would be attempted genocide and regicide.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33863234]Most nations are guilty of committing genocide at some point in history or another. The Americans, Belgians, English, French, Dutch, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, Japanese, Russians, Turks, Persians, Chinese, Indians, etc. We've all done it.
Got a source, by chance?[/QUOTE]
Apart from Poland :v:
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;33864634]Fuck you we're perfect.
Not like those dirty Spanish, killing whole tribes.
Dirty Americunt.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, Dutchie? Well you all talk like a bunch of English drunkards with bad lisps who are trying to speak German! SO HA!:v:
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[QUOTE=Appolox;33865392]Apart from Poland :v:[/QUOTE]
Poland was awesome once, what with its Winged Hussars and elective monarchy. A very progressive country considering the times and the politics of its neighbors. And then... something happened that caused it to constantly get its ass beaten up and large parts of its population to perish in a long list of unfortunate events. Shame, really.
Turkey always seems to get really bitchy when people talk about the Armenian genocide.
Most any country that was formally an empire, and many that weren't, have been guilty of many horrendous crimes and abuses. One could say it's human nature. But apparently the Turkish prime minister seems to think his country's conduct in the past is cleaner than an angel's cunt.
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I know Turkey is hardly the only one to behave as such when such parts of it's history is mentioned; it just seems to be the most visible and annoying case.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33864429]Yeah you lot just raped and pillaged indiscriminately.[/QUOTE]
I likely only exist because a viking raped an irishman at some point in the past
so um
thanks I guess guys
[QUOTE=The mouse;33864735]I'm accusing the Belgians of genocide in Congo.[/QUOTE]
Not genocide, we're not barbarians. We just chopped off their hands
That is the worst defense I've ever heard.
But, I never accused the French of anything.
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;33864634]HAH!
WE TOPPED YOU IN RACISM![/QUOTE]
But we basically created racism, right? Since slavery made white people think of black people as lesser capable of anything... Right?
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33863234]Most nations are guilty of committing genocide at some point in history or another. The Americans, Belgians, English, French, Dutch, Germans, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, Japanese, Russians, Turks, Persians, Chinese, Indians, etc. We've all done it.[/QUOTE]
All you say?
:smug:
The Japs still deny Pearl Harbour and Nanking, it's funny to watch everyone just run around "No I didn't do it!"
Nanking was fucking horrible. I read an account of a soldier who saw a Young Chinese girl raped and then had a sharpened bamboo stick shoved up her vagina, killing her of course.
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