This FCC Commissioner Did A Reddit Chat. It Did Not Go Well. - Polidicks

[QUOTE] WASHINGTON -- On Friday, Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Commissioner Mignon Clyburn took to Reddit to do an "Ask Me Anything" session and answer questions about her job. But she soon found herself on the defensive against Reddit users angry about how the FCC has handled net neutrality rulemaking. The FCC is currently weighing whether to classify the Internet like a utility and restrict Internet service providers from charging content providers for faster Internet access. This month, President Barack Obama announced his support for that approach, known as "Title II." But net neutrality advocates are concerned that the FCC might go with a different proposal, which would allow for some degree of paid prioritization. Opponents of this plan say that it would threaten the openness of the Internet by making it harder for smaller sites to compete. When asked about her position on net neutrality, Clyburn, who is one of five FCC commissioners appointed by the president, said that she supports "a free and open Internet." She pointed out that in 2010, she supported Title II and a ban on paid prioritization, which is what Obama is asking for now. But she did not explicitly say that she still supports this plan. Instead, she wrote that she has "many of the same concerns I did four years ago, but have vowed to keep an open mind." Clyburn did not go into detail about what those concerns are. Later, she said that "if we think the right policy goal is to ban paid prioritization, we should determine the appropriate legal authority to do so," contending that "Title II on its own does not automatically ban paid prioritization." A commenter dismissed her statement as a "talking point." Over the summer, the FCC accepted nearly 4 million public comments about net neutrality -- an overwhelming number of which opposed allowing Internet service providers to charge for faster Internet access. One commenter asked Clyburn if the FCC listens to the public. She responded, "Public comments absolutely influence the FCC deliberations, including rule makings." Another user asked: "How can we (the Internet!) make ourselves heard in this process? Because it begins to seem like the e-mail campaigns and the phone calls do not have a large effect on convincing the FCC to reclassify ISPs under Title II?" Clyburn responded: "I disagree completely. Your voices are being heard and your comments are being read." But many Redditors didn't agree, complaining about the number of Clyburn's answers and their substance. For their responses, check out the full discussion here. Clyburn’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/22/mignon-clyburn-reddit-chat_n_6204572.html[/url]

I went in after it had been already running for a while and I couldn't even find any of her answers because they were all downvoted so much.

i think she got the idea about what the internet thinks now.

[quote]Our goal is to create incentives for more competitive options, particularly as technologies transition. For example, some electric utilities have started to offer broadband service. Wireless and satellite companies are offering alternatives, and their services continue to improve. We hope that over time, sound policies will lead to more choices.[/quote] You'll get more choices, except that all those choices will be worse and more restrictive then what we currently have.

[quote]Hello Commissioner Clyburn. Thanks for joining us. What is your opinion of publicly funded media like NPR or PBS in the States or BCC in the UK? Do you think such organizations deserve state and federal funding and would you be interested seeing an increase or decrease these organizations funding in the future?[/quote] [quote]As a regular NPR listener and PBS viewer, I appreciate the programming they provide and services they offer.[/quote] Haha what the fuck? This has got to be the most lackluster and uninformative answer I've ever read.

Downvoting the answers is still a pretty bad move, when you want to discuss stuff you have to at least give the other side the chance to be heard.

Reddit's quality has fallen since the advent of Reddit Youtube commenter gaining popularity.

[QUOTE=Jewish Paladin;46556106]Haha what the fuck? This has got to be the most lackluster and uninformative answer I've ever read.[/QUOTE] TBH that question seems to be a massive republican thorn, PBS and NPR is not even really state-funded, yet uber-conservatives claim those calm, rational smooth voices on the radio are SOCIALIST COMMIE BASTARTDS TAKIN MA TAXES TO SPEW COMMUNISM i'm not even joking on that [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] i'm supprised reddit doesn't have some special way to do these chats, where like the VIP can't be downvoted, it would only be used for like these cases anyways and it would encourage more outreach like this [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] [quote]Back in the 1970s, when the cable companies wanted to expand, there was massive backlash from the over-the-air television networks. Because cable was a new-ish technology with little competition in its niche, the government stipulated that, in order to foster growth without competition, any cable company wanting to do business in the marketplace must deliver cable to every home (no matter how rural) in the areas it would serve. Over time, this mission has eroded to the point where growth and competition are effectively meaningless terms; meanwhile, the rates consumers pay for comparatively crappy broadband service has done nothing but go up. ISPs are handing out stock dividends like candy instead of plowing the profits back into expansion and advanced tech. My question is: why is the FCC dragging its feet in declaring ISPs to be common carriers; i.e., why is the FCC protecting corporations, instead of acting in the best interests of US consumers? [/quote] i can't find the answer to this question, but i'd really love if it was answered

[QUOTE=Hollosoulja;46556322]Reddit's quality has fallen since the advent of Reddit Youtube commenter gaining popularity.[/QUOTE] Thats a VERY large generalization... Stay out of the default subreddits and quality increases a lot [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Medevila;46556261]All I see is a bunch of redditors acting like children[/QUOTE] Hop off your high horse pal :p

Huh, almost the same happened on Russian tech site, where Roskomnadzor (the government branch that decided which websites to block on Russian territory) decided to make AmA with it's head, Ksenzov. You can guess, what happened.

[QUOTE=yerer;46555940]I went in after it had been already running for a while and I couldn't even find any of her answers because they were all downvoted so much.[/QUOTE] I was there in the beginning. It didnt take long for it to turn into a shit show. Effectiveness of -100%. Shows the incompetency of the administrator

[QUOTE=Medevila;46556261]All I see is a bunch of redditors acting like children[/QUOTE] the reddit hivemind is so strong sometimes they even forget why they hate someone [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Hellreaver;46555986]Yeah of course it didn't work if she just tried to bullshit her way through it. Is this a fucking joke?[/QUOTE] reading some of the other comments I can see why people think she just answered every question like a true politician, but this one is a really bad example "why do I have only one option?" "we're trying to make it so that you dont" whats the issue, that's a good thing and they probably can't promise anything because they'll be lynched by either their funders or the general populace this has happened with literally every single government AMA ever, and even some celebrity ones. You get vague answers [I]because they can only give vague answers[/I].

[QUOTE=Medevila;46556261]All I see is a bunch of redditors acting like children[/QUOTE] Welcome to leddit. The site is just a bullshit hivemind, epic memes like le bad luck brian, shills promoting shills and "true story this actually happened for real!"

[QUOTE=Dermock;46556651]Welcome to leddit. The site is just a bullshit hivemind, epic memes like le bad luck brian, shills promoting shills and "true story this actually happened for real!"[/QUOTE] What a perfect summation of the entire website, you must have spent [I]so[/I] much time there. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;46556456]Huh, almost the same happened on Russian tech site, where Roskomnadzor (the government branch that decided which websites to block on Russian territory) decided to make AmA with it's head, Ksenzov. You can guess, what happened.[/QUOTE] Was it almost the same?

[QUOTE=Dermock;46556651]Welcome to leddit. The site is just a bullshit hivemind, epic memes like le bad luck brian, shills promoting shills and "true story this actually happened for real!"[/QUOTE] Welcome to Facepunch, where idiots can post whatever they like until a mod comes along and FOR A RIGHT LAUGH just bans people because it's a place full of soviet nazi bullshit laws that are AGAINST MY RIGHTS. Hold on why I go post dragon cocks and furries and then complain about anime in fast threads.

[QUOTE=yerer;46555940]I went in after it had been already running for a while and I couldn't even find any of her answers because they were all downvoted so much.[/QUOTE] I hate that about Reddit. Encourages hivemind bullshit and discourages dissenting opinions/discussion.

Reddit really mishandled this AMA. The commissioner had never worked in the telecom industry, she was heavily pro-net-neutrality, and she was answering what she was able to. She said she was in favor of local municipalities creating their own internet services, [I]particularly[/I] when there is no option, and reddit spun it to mean that she supported local municipal internet [I]only[/I] when there is no other option. Really, it's just a bunch of people thinking "we hate comcast and the FCC right? let's hate this person too" [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Dermock;46556651]Welcome to leddit. The site is just a bullshit hivemind, epic memes like le bad luck brian, shills promoting shills and "true story this actually happened for real!"[/QUOTE] Try customizing your subreddits - that's the entire appeal of reddit. My front page is composed of music, art, discussion, quotes, and articles. Interesting content. I haven't seen a meme on reddit in 3+ years.

[QUOTE=TestECull;46557186]I hate that about Reddit. Encourages hivemind bullshit and discourages dissenting opinions/discussion.[/QUOTE] To be fair, facepunch has the same thing with ratings, don't deny it :v: It's far less prevalent than it is on reddit with the downvoting because the posts aren't hidden, but don't delude yourself by thinking facepunch's ratings encourage fair discussion. It encourages people to go along with the most acceptable opinion for one, which isn't really what you want if you're actually trying to have a discussion and not an echo chamber. But at least on facepunch, posts aren't hidden when they're of a divergent nature.

[QUOTE=TestECull;46557186]I hate that about Reddit. Encourages hivemind bullshit and discourages dissenting opinions/discussion.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I really dislike the way downvotes function.

[QUOTE=Profanwolf;46557297]To be fair, facepunch has the same thing with ratings, don't deny it :v: It's far less prevalent than it is on reddit with the downvoting because the posts aren't hidden, but don't delude yourself by thinking facepunch's ratings encourage fair discussion. It encourages people to go along with the most acceptable opinion for one, which isn't really what you want if you're actually trying to have a discussion and not an echo chamber.[/QUOTE] It's not really fair to compare facepunch to reddit. Facepunch is a forum, reddit is a customizable content aggregator. Facepunch has more in common with SomethingAwful or any variety of shitty BBcode forums. Reddit's more like an RSS feed or a hosting website - there's often zero overlap between the users of certain subreddits.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;46557329]It's not really fair to compare facepunch to reddit. Facepunch is a forum, reddit is a customizable content aggregator. Facepunch has more in common with SomethingAwful or any variety of shitty BBcode forums. Reddit's more like an RSS feed or a hosting website - there's often zero overlap between the users of certain subreddits.[/QUOTE] I think zero overlap is rather liberal, there's plenty of overlap between subreddits, and not every reddit user goes to every part of reddit either, but that's the same with facepunch is it not? You don't visit every part of facepunch, you only view the sections you're interested in, or at least that's my experience. Just as an example: [url]http://rhiever.github.io/redditviz/[/url] But sure, reddit has more in common with SA or similar, that's true. Noone's creating their own special corner of facepunch as much as they're participating in what's been created (actually probably not entirely true since specific threads on facepunch are sort of similar to what might be a subreddit, say WAYWO on FP).

[QUOTE=.Isak.;46557329]It's not really fair to compare facepunch to reddit. Facepunch is a forum, reddit is a customizable content aggregator. Facepunch has more in common with SomethingAwful or any variety of shitty BBcode forums. Reddit's more like an RSS feed or a hosting website - there's often zero overlap between the users of certain subreddits.[/QUOTE] But his ratings to votes comparison [B]is[/B] a fair comparison. Sometimes you see a fucked up SH article with 200+ winners and nobody knows why, or a logically thought out post that no one reads because they see the bandwagon boxes and move on. Reddit's voting system falls victim to the same problems.

[QUOTE=Dermock;46556651]Welcome to leddit. The site is just a bullshit hivemind, epic memes like le bad luck brian, shills promoting shills and "true story this actually happened for real!"[/QUOTE] memes are great how dare you

[QUOTE=Profanwolf;46557297]To be fair, facepunch has the same thing with ratings, don't deny it :v: [/QUOTE] Not really. Downvoting a post actually hides it from discussion. Ratings on FP only play in for the people who are so monumentally stupid they put value into little 64x64 icons. There is no code built into FP's forum software that hides a post that gets a set number of boxes, or pushes one to the top of the thread if it gets enough funnies or agrees or whatever. Trust me: I say a LOT of controversial things. I get far more people responding to them here than I ever do on Reddit because on Reddit they just get buried. Here? They don't. They get boxforts, sure, but they're not hidden out of view after just a handful come in. [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;46557281]Try customizing your subreddits - that's the entire appeal of reddit. My front page is composed of music, art, discussion, quotes, and articles. Interesting content. I haven't seen a meme on reddit in 3+ years.[/QUOTE] Not always practical. I happen to have fairly narrow reasons for going to Reddit, thus I'm only subbed to a handful of subreddits. And of those, I only ever check /r/JRITS, /r/modelmakers, /r/KSP and /r/warthunder. Reddit forces all the bullshit subs onto me even though I've unsubbed to all of the defaults that Reddit automatically subs you to when you join.

[QUOTE=Medevila;46556261]All I see is a bunch of redditors acting like children[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hellreaver;46555986] Is this a fucking joke?[/QUOTE] Our goal is to create incentives for a wider variety of comedic posts, particularly as new users enter the forum. For example, sites like Facepunch have begun creating memes that later propagate to reddit and 4chan such as "nope" and "dan was boobies". Video game-related forums are offering alternatives to general discussion forums, and their posts continue to improve. We hope that over time, funny jokes will lead more laughs.

[QUOTE=Dermock;46556651]Welcome to leddit. The site is just a bullshit hivemind, epic memes like le bad luck brian, shills promoting shills and "true story this actually happened for real!"[/QUOTE] Maybe if you'd spend more than 5 minutes on reddit, you'd realize you can get avoid that by unsubscribing and subscribing to subreddits that cater to your liking

I'd also advise to stay away from any hats, unless you're browsing r/tf2. I hope the United States', and subsequently, the rest of the world's inhabitants of the web, will be exempt from this situation at once. It's disheartening to see the pure essence of fear in such an abundance.

[QUOTE=TestECull;46557671]Not really. Downvoting a post actually hides it from discussion. Ratings on FP only play in for the people who are so monumentally stupid they put value into little 64x64 icons. There is no code built into FP's forum software that hides a post that gets a set number of boxes, or pushes one to the top of the thread if it gets enough funnies or agrees or whatever. Trust me: I say a LOT of controversial things. I get far more people responding to them here than I ever do on Reddit because on Reddit they just get buried. Here? They don't. They get boxforts, sure, but they're not hidden out of view after just a handful come in. [editline]23rd November 2014[/editline] Not always practical. I happen to have fairly narrow reasons for going to Reddit, thus I'm only subbed to a handful of subreddits. And of those, I only ever check /r/JRITS, /r/modelmakers, /r/KSP and /r/warthunder. Reddit forces all the bullshit subs onto me even though I've unsubbed to all of the defaults that Reddit automatically subs you to when you join.[/QUOTE] I don't understand that - is reddit plugging default subreddits into your front page? Because that shouldn't happen even if you're only subbed to a single subreddit. Sure you're not browsing /r/all instead of your front page? I've never seen a single subreddit I haven't wanted on my front page.