Columbia Student Will Carry a Mattress Everywhere Until Her Alleged Rapist Is Expelled - Polidicks

[quote]Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own dorm bed by a classmate on the first day of her sophomore year of college. Since then, a substantial amount of her time at Columbia University has been spent trying to convince college administrators, police, and even friends that what happened to her really happened, that it was rape, and that her rapist deserves to be punished for what he did. Sulkowicz is one of 23 students who are part of a federal Title IX complaint filed against Columbia in April for mishandling sexual-assault cases. Though she and two other students reported that the same student had assaulted them, all of their claims were swept under the rug, and the male student was not expelled from campus.[/quote] [url]http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/09/columbia-student-art-project-protests-her-rapist.html?mid=twitter_nymag[/url] [video=youtube;l9hHZbuYVnU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9hHZbuYVnU[/video]

so because he allegedly raped someone he should be expelled? hope you like carrying that mattress cause he better not be without a fair investigation / trial

According to the article, he was also an alleged rapist by another student and the claims were swept under the rug as well. This really should have been investigated since the first claim.

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;45877506]There is no reason why the police should not be investigating this. However, I do not believe that the alleged rapist should be expelled from the school unless he is convicted first.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, no action should be taken until they are legally tried but it's insane they're not at the very least investigating it

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[QUOTE=Zet;45877542]According to the article, he was also an alleged rapist by another student and the claims were swept under the rug as well. This really should have been investigated since the first claim.[/QUOTE] I believe he actually has three claims of alleged rape against him, this girl and two others. I don't get why people would defend him at that point, it should really be investigated by police.

Police should [I]definitely [/I] be investigating and it's bullshit that they aren't. That said, ruining someone's life based on allegations is also bullshit. Carry that mattress until he goes to court for it.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45877649]Innocent until proven guilty should apply to everyone, not just a select group.[/QUOTE] No one's calling for immediate expulsion. They're calling for the campus/police to [I]actually[/I] investigate a person whom three women claim assaulted them. Why are you being so defensive?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45877714]No one's calling for immediate expulsion. They're calling for the campus/police to [I]actually[/I] investigate a person whom three women claim assaulted them. Why are you being so defensive?[/QUOTE] Probably because this has happened before where false rape accusations got somebody expelled, potentially ruining the positive life they had ahead of them.

If 23 other girls have accused this dude, either he's made a real shitstorm with their friend group, or he's probably a rapist I'm guessing he has done something

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45877714]No one's calling for immediate expulsion. They're calling for the campus/police to [I]actually[/I] investigate a person whom three women claim assaulted them. Why are you being so defensive?[/QUOTE] Just because several people said something happened doesn't mean it did.

[QUOTE=duckmaster;45877802]Just because several people said something happened doesn't mean it did.[/QUOTE] Maybe that's why you investigate whether it actually happened or not, Sherlock.

Okay, I thought the article said that 23 seperate women on the campus had complained

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45877649]Innocent until proven guilty should apply to everyone, not just a select group.[/QUOTE] Maybe because rapists are threats to society? Like, if the police find a suspected mass murderer and even though they might not have evidence yet to press charges against them but they believe they will find the evidence, the police will detain that person.

I'm against expelling the guy before an investigation but why in the fuck wouldn't they investigate it? Like seriously, three girls saying this guy is doing shady shit and they're not doing anything about it? [editline]3rd September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Antdawg;45878000]Maybe because rapists are threats to society? Like, if the police find a suspected mass murderer and even though they might not have evidence yet to press charges against them but they believe they will find the evidence, the police will detain that person.[/QUOTE] And they'd be let go within 24 hours.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;45878000]Maybe because rapists are threats to society? Like, if the police find a suspected mass murderer and even though they might not have evidence yet to press charges against them but they believe they will find the evidence, the police will detain that person.[/QUOTE] "This guy just bought a case of beer. You know a LOT of people are killed each year by drunk drivers, so even though we don't have evidence of him drinking and driving, I suspect he will do it. So I'm going to arrest him while we dig for evidence...."

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45878067]"This guy just bought a case of beer. You know a LOT of people are killed each year by drunk drivers, so even though we don't have evidence of him drinking and driving, I suspect he will do it. So I'm going to arrest him while we dig for evidence...."[/QUOTE] Except that's a terrible argument, because in my example I mentioned a suspected mass murderer which implies the crime has already been committed (people were murdered), but your example implies a crime which hasn't been committed yet, if it even would have been committed.

Fucking idiots not raising their kids right.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;45878089]Except that's a terrible argument, because in my example I mentioned a suspected mass murderer which implies the crime has already been committed (people were murdered), but your example implies a crime which hasn't been committed yet, if it even would have been committed.[/QUOTE] Does this fit better? "That guy is hammered. Did he drive here drunk? I think he did, so we better take him in just in case. We'll get proof later..." The core argument is still the same. You're bringing someone in on suspicion rather than proof. You are assuming guilt instead of innocence.....

At least you'll get swole by that time

Why is innocent until proven guilty such an issue thats debated so harshly when it comes to rape? I know the school isn't the legal system but expelling people without evidence of wrongdoing just sets up a bad precedent. Just make false unprovable accusations against people you don't like, etc.

[QUOTE=Fort83;45878144]And with this article and issue there is no evidence to suggest a crime was committed either...[/QUOTE] No evidence yet because the police have swept it under the rug and not investigated it. But if the victims are being truthful, which I see no reason for them to not be, a crime has been committed and a suspect has already been identified.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;45877756]Probably because this has happened before where false rape accusations got somebody expelled, potentially ruining the positive life they had ahead of them.[/QUOTE] Statistically speaking it's about 15 times more likely that they were raped and he's getting away with it than that they made it up.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45878135]Does this fit better? "That guy is hammered. Did he drive here drunk? I think he did, so we better take him in just in case. We'll get proof later..." The core argument is still the same. You're bringing someone in on suspicion rather than proof. You are assuming guilt instead of innocence.....[/QUOTE] Except there would be no reasonable suspicion to justify the police detaining that person.. stop grasping at straws and going off-topic.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;45878159]No evidence yet because the police have swept it under the rug and not investigated it. But if the victims are being truthful, which I see no reason for them to not be, a crime has been committed and a suspect has already been identified.[/QUOTE] I agree. I think she is telling the truth as well. I don't see a reason for her to lie. BUT our legal system doesn't work like that. The University swept it under the rug, and they should be investigated. [QUOTE=asteroidrules;45878160]Statistically speaking it's about 15 times more likely that they were raped and he's getting away with it than that they made it up.[/QUOTE] Statistics are not solid proof of guilt....

[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;45877613]I believe he actually has three claims of alleged rape against him, this girl and two others. I don't get why people would defend him at that point, it should really be investigated by police.[/QUOTE] Even alleged rapists have the right to due process and the right to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;45878179]Except there would be no reasonable suspicion to justify the police detaining that person.. stop grasping at straws and going off-topic.[/QUOTE] And what's reasonable suspicion for someone being a rapist or mass murderer? Heresay???

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45878192]If you deny the right to be innocent until proven guilty to one, you open the door for it to be denied to all. Until the judge swings the gavel at the end of the case, everyone is innocent.[/QUOTE] Being detained is not the same as being found guilty...

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45878188] Statistics are not solid proof of guilt....[/QUOTE] No but they're strong evidence of it, enough to justify further investigation. People drastically overstate the prevalence of false rape accusations, its gotten to the point where many immediately assume that such allegations are always false when they're truthful about 95% of the time.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45878215]On what evidence should he be detained? If we detained everyone on allegations of wrong doing our jails would be significantly more full. Unless they have forensic evidence against him, he should be free to roam around while they conduct an investigation.[/QUOTE] Free to roam and potentially rape more women?