CIA and White House under pressure after Senate torture report leaks
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A leak of the major findings of a landmark Senate inquiry into the CIA’s post-9/11 torture of terrorism detainees led, on Friday, to intensified pressure on the White House and the CIA to release the inquiry speedily and with a minimum of redactions.
The classified study, prepared by the Senate select committee on intelligence, concluded that the CIA’s interrogations, secret detentions and outsourced torture sessions were “brutal, and far worse than the agency communicated to policymakers.”
More suspected terrorists underwent the agency’s post-9/11 treatment, which largely lasted from 2002 to 2006, than the CIA has publicly admitted, according to the report’s findings, which were first reported by McClatchy. Last week, committee chairwoman Dianne Feinstein of California stated that the Senate investigated the cases of 100 detainees – dozens more than previously known to have gone through the CIA’s so-called “interrogation, detention and rendition” programs.
In addition to misleading policymakers, the Senate report charges the CIA with selectively and leaking classified and inaccurate information to journalists in order to portray the program in a positive light.
“The CIA manipulated the media by co-ordinating the leak of classified information, which inaccurately portrayed the effectiveness of the agency’s enhanced interrogation techniques,” the committee found.
The agency also, according to the report, provided factually inaccurate information to Bush administration lawyers, who relied on it to concoct the legal theories that underpinned an apparatus of torturous interrogations and detentions that quickly spread to US military facilities at Guantánamo Bay, Iraq and Afghanistan.
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[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/11/cia-white-house-pressure-leaked-senate-report[/url]
Jesus Christ, whenever I read about the CIA and NSA, it's almost always about them giving false information. Seriously, how can they [I]not[/I] be considered rogue organizations?
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;44519581]Jesus Christ, whenever I read about the CIA and NSA, it's almost always about them giving false information. Seriously, how can they [I]not[/I] be considered rogue organizations?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much why JFK wanted to disband them and was going to but then he was killed by someone who "wasn't a government agent."
[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;44519581]Jesus Christ, whenever I read about the CIA and NSA, it's almost always about them giving false information. Seriously, how can they [I]not[/I] be considered rogue organizations?[/QUOTE]
For the greater good (sarcasm)
The CIA can't be trusted. Organizations like these can't be managed with oversight that consists of Congressmen asking questions and relying on their word ([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/27/darrell-issa-james-clapper-lied-to-congress-about-nsa-and-should-be-fired/"]many people have lied to Congressional oversight committees and gotten away with it[/URL]).
The CIA should be disbanded but that will probably just mean renaming and rebranding all of it but will still be carrying out the same shit.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;44519620]The CIA can't be trusted. Organizations like these can't be managed with oversight that consists of Congressmen asking questions and relying on their word ([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/27/darrell-issa-james-clapper-lied-to-congress-about-nsa-and-should-be-fired/"]many people have lied to Congressional oversight committees and gotten away with it[/URL]).
The CIA should be disbanded but that will probably just mean renaming and rebranding all of it but will still be carrying out the same shit.[/QUOTE]
Cleaning house on the CIA would be beyond difficult. I imagine they have members embedded everywhere.
Quite frankly the CIA hasn't yet reached the point where burning them down and rebuilding them is worth it. I don't even know how to describe the difficulty in doing so.
[QUOTE=download;44523453]Cleaning house on the CIA would be beyond difficult. I imagine they have members embedded everywhere.
Quite frankly the CIA hasn't yet reached the point where burning them down and rebuilding them is worth it. I don't even know how to describe the difficulty in doing so.[/QUOTE]
super duper difficult.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;44519620]The CIA can't be trusted. Organizations like these can't be managed with oversight that consists of Congressmen asking questions and relying on their word ([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/27/darrell-issa-james-clapper-lied-to-congress-about-nsa-and-should-be-fired/"]many people have lied to Congressional oversight committees and gotten away with it[/URL]).
The CIA should be disbanded but that will probably just mean renaming and rebranding all of it but will still be carrying out the same shit.[/QUOTE]
They should have been disbanded after 9/11. Our intelligence services have consistently failed to actually protect Americans and have instead perpetrated heinous acts around the globe.
The whole point of the CIA is to be covert. Of course you cant trust them, they're spies for fucks sake
[QUOTE=Starpluck;44519620]Organizations like these can't be managed with oversight that consists of Congressmen asking questions and relying on their word[/QUOTE]
Sorry but that's total horseshit, please learn what the HPSCI, SSCI, and other oversight groups actually do. The fact that this study exists should make it obvious that they have access to more than just the word of the DNI and senior officials.
This idea of rogue organizations that answer to nobody is cool in Hollywood but you have to be really uninformed to think a cash-strapped administration would give out tens of billions of dollars in funding with nothing more than verbal promises as to how it's used.
[QUOTE=Explosions;44523495]They should have been disbanded after 9/11. Our intelligence services have consistently failed to actually protect Americans and have instead perpetrated heinous acts around the globe.[/QUOTE]
Although I agree with the point you're making, it's at least partially this extraordinary pressure that we put on them to somehow prevent every single incident and know everything that leads to right/freedom compromising measures being taken to pull 'anything' to work with.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;44519620]The CIA can't be trusted. Organizations like these can't be managed with oversight that consists of Congressmen asking questions and relying on their word ([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/27/darrell-issa-james-clapper-lied-to-congress-about-nsa-and-should-be-fired/"]many people have lied to Congressional oversight committees and gotten away with it[/URL]).
The CIA should be disbanded but that will probably just mean renaming and rebranding all of it but will still be carrying out the same shit.[/QUOTE]
The only way you could get rid of the CIA and similar organizations is by branding every one of it's members for life so as to leave them unable to hold office or authority in the US ever again. However this will never happen.
[QUOTE=catbarf;44523574]Sorry but that's total horseshit, please learn what the HPSCI, SSCI, and other oversight groups actually do. The fact that this study exists should make it obvious that they have access to more than just the word of the DNI and senior officials.
This idea of rogue organizations that answer to nobody is cool in Hollywood but you have to be really uninformed to think a cash-strapped administration would give out tens of billions of dollars in funding with nothing more than verbal promises as to how it's used.[/QUOTE]
They get that funding because these organizations are working exactly as intended. They lie, cheat, murder and create wars because that's where the money and power is.
CIA/ NSA = Section 31 ...
If anyone catches the reference :eng101:
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