Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gun - Polidicks

[quote](CBS) A former neighbor of George Zimmerman testified he saw two men in a "tussle" outside his home the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and said he now believes the person on top in the altercation - which would moments later turn fatal - was Trayvon Martin. In key testimony, he also said he believes George Zimmerman was the person yelling for help.[/quote] [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/[/url] Also today an officer's testimony brought up to light that Zimmerman told him he was yelling for help and that nobody came to help him. He also noted that his back was wet and had wet grass on it. Trial live stream: [url]http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/[/url]

Hm... An interesting development. Makes you think of what the costs of media sensationalism actually are.

Prosecution got that medical lass off the stand quick after she pointed out Zimmerman's injuries were consistent with being beat. So for those keeping score every witness has essentially backed Zimmerman's claims (or failed to disprove them) and no one has even mentioned race except Jeantel who claimed "Creepy ass cracker" isn't an offensive term. The prosecution is sinking faster than the Titanic.

What ever happened to the footage of him at the police station looking perfectly fine?

The dude asking the questions right now is asking the same god damn question like 20 times. Cheese's Crust, get on with it!

[QUOTE=ZenX2;41228141]What ever happened to the footage of him at the police station looking perfectly fine?[/QUOTE] [img]http://jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ht_george_zimmerman_injuries_ll_120517_wg.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=ZenX2;41228141]What ever happened to the footage of him at the police station looking perfectly fine?[/QUOTE] He was cleaned up, the police themselves mentioned it in their testimonies today that they wiped off most of the blood from Zimmerman.

[QUOTE=Lamar;41228226]He was cleaned up, the police themselves mentioned it in their testimonies today that they wiped off most of the blood from Zimmerman.[/QUOTE] yea they aren't going to take a bleeding guy into a police station for obvious sanitary reasons.

Trayvon had every right to knock Zimmerman down + hit him considering Zimmerman pursued and confronted him with a gun. Why does Zimmerman have a right to self defense but not Martin?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228291]Trayvon had every right to knock Zimmerman down + hit him considering Zimmerman pursued and confronted him with a gun. Why does Zimmerman have a right to self defense but not Martin?[/QUOTE] There is no evidence Zimmerman approached him with a gun drawn, I am not sure why everyone says this as though it is common knowledge.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228291]Trayvon had every right to knock Zimmerman down + hit him considering Zimmerman pursued and confronted him with a gun. Why does Zimmerman have a right to self defense but not Martin?[/QUOTE] In what possible situation is straddling someone and beating their head into the pavement an act of self-defense?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41228329]There is no evidence Zimmerman approached him with a gun drawn, I am not sure why everyone says this as though it is common knowledge.[/QUOTE] Because HLN is more sensationalist than this subforum

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41228329]There is no evidence Zimmerman approached him with a gun drawn, I am not sure why everyone says this as though it is common knowledge.[/QUOTE] Well, it's pretty obvious why everyone says it... Because the media machine has said that, consistently, since this all started. Naturally, people tend to take it as objective fact.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228291]Trayvon had every right to knock Zimmerman down + hit him considering Zimmerman pursued and [B]confronted him with a gun[/B]. Why does Zimmerman have a right to self defense but not Martin?[/QUOTE] and where is your evidence for this?

Like seriously why does everyone accept that Zimmerman has a right to shoot somebody in self defense (the question of whether or not it actually was self defense notwithstanding) but nobody, even for a moment, wants to re contextualize it as Martin having the right to punch a guy in self defense?

[QUOTE=catbarf;41228344]In what possible situation is straddling someone and beating their head into the pavement an act of self-defense?[/QUOTE] The situation where that person has a gun and is pointing it straight at you.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228291]Trayvon had every right to knock Zimmerman down + hit him considering Zimmerman pursued and confronted him with a gun. Why does Zimmerman have a right to self defense but not Martin?[/QUOTE] "Confronted with gun" makes it sound like the gun was visible or in his hand, no evidence backs this up. How can self-defense apply to Trayvon when so far all the evidence points to him being the aggressor? You have one mans first hand account (Zimmerman) and a few eyewitness accounts none of which even hint at Trayvon being attacked first so where are you getting that Zimmerman instigated it? Walking after someone is not grounds for assault. Also you seem to think people punch dudes running around waving guns, Trayvon must have been a moron to do that since you could end up shot........ oh wait. [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228380]The situation where that person has a gun and is pointing it straight at you.[/QUOTE] If the gun was pointed at him (no evidence supports this) then how did Trayvon get a punch in? Is he some sort of superman or something?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228369]Like seriously why does everyone accept that Zimmerman has a right to shoot somebody in self defense (the question of whether or not it actually was self defense notwithstanding) but nobody, even for a moment, wants to re contextualize it as Martin having the right to punch a guy in self defense?[/QUOTE] Because if you go and punch a guy when he is not attacking or directly threatening you it is not self-defense. End of story. I could be in your face shouting obscenities at you and if you punch me it's still assault. I could be in your face shouting obscenities and you punch me, knock me to the ground, and start beating my head into the pavement, it's absolutely assault.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;41228368]and where is your evidence for this?[/QUOTE] Where is your evidence that Zimmerman was confronted by Martin instead? Neither argument has evidence. I'm just asking why the statement "Martin punched Zimmerman in self defense" is [I]fucking unfathomable[/I] to most people while the statement "Zimmerman shot Martin" in self defense is perfectly reasonable.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228369]Like seriously why does everyone accept that Zimmerman has a right to shoot somebody in self defense (the question of whether or not it actually was self defense notwithstanding) but nobody, even for a moment, wants to re contextualize it as Martin having the right to punch a guy in self defense?[/QUOTE] We'd need evidence that Zimmerman came up to Martin with his gun drawn, at least. In the hypothetical case that it happened like that, Martin may have been allowed to defend himself.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228380]The situation where that person has a gun and is pointing it straight at you.[/QUOTE] You're saying Martin picked a fistfight with a guy pointing a gun at him? Does that not seem at least a little unreasonable?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228380]The situation where that person has a gun and is pointing it straight at you.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm p.sure if his gun was in fact drawn at Trayvon he wouldn't have found himself laying on the grass and getting beaten.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228369]Like seriously why does everyone accept that Zimmerman has a right to shoot somebody in self defense (the question of whether or not it actually was self defense notwithstanding) but nobody, even for a moment, wants to re contextualize it as Martin having the right to punch a guy in self defense?[/QUOTE] Martin would have the right to punch the guy in self defense, but there is absolutely zero evidence that Zimmerman approached him with his gun drawn. [editline]28th June 2013[/editline] At this point anyway

There is no evidence either way but it's highly unlikely Martin was dumb enough to start beating the crap out of a guy with his gun drawn

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228419]Where is your evidence that Zimmerman was confronted by Martin instead? Neither argument has evidence. I'm just asking why the statement "Martin punched Zimmerman in self defense" is [I]fucking unfathomable[/I] to most people while the statement "Zimmerman shot Martin" in self defense is perfectly reasonable.[/QUOTE] Its not unfathomable, you where the only person on here who has said one of those two as though it is a fact. Everyone leans away from it because so far everything points to Martin being the aggressor.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41228443]Martin would have the right to punch the guy in self defense, but there is absolutely zero evidence that Zimmerman approached him with his gun drawn. [editline]28th June 2013[/editline] At this point anyway[/QUOTE] THERE IS ALSO NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN CONFRONTED ZIMMERMAN, which is the only context in which Zimmerman's claim of "self defense" holds up. For the umpteenth time, why do you think that everybody talks about Zimmerman's right to self defense but nobody at all talks about Martin's right to self defense?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228477]For the umpteenth time, why do you think that everybody talks about Zimmerman's right to self defense but nobody at all talks about Martin's right to self defense?[/QUOTE] For the umpteenth time maybe because all likelihood points to Zimmerman defending himself from Martin!

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228477]THERE IS ALSO NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN CONFRONTED ZIMMERMAN, which is the only context in which Zimmerman's claim of "self defense" holds up. For the umpteenth time, why do you think that everybody talks about Zimmerman's right to self defense but nobody at all talks about Martin's right to self defense?[/QUOTE] Because you're not allowed to pummel the living daylights out of someone for just approaching you.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41228476]Its not unfathomable, you where the only person on here who has said one of those two as though it is a fact. Everyone leans away from it because so far everything points to Martin being the aggressor.[/QUOTE] Except for the fact that nothing does. Zimmerman left his house, got in his car, and then left his car on foot to pursue Martin. "He was a member of the neighborhood watch" is not an acceptable excuse for going after somebody who had every right to be there. If you were being followed by a large man (possibly visibly wielding a gun) in the middle of the night you might make some rash decisions too.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228477]THERE IS ALSO NO EVIDENCE THAT MARTIN CONFRONTED ZIMMERMAN, which is the only context in which Zimmerman's claim of "self defense" holds up. For the umpteenth time, why do you think that everybody talks about Zimmerman's right to self defense but nobody at all talks about Martin's right to self defense?[/QUOTE] WHO ON THIS THREAD SAID THAT AS A FACT, YOUR THE ONLY ONE WHO DID SO GO TYPE IN CAPS TO YOURSELF. Those who leaning towards Martin being the aggressor do so because so far everything ads up to Zimmerman's story.