• Aftermath of the Cologne attacks
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My friend put this up on facebook and I thought it was a really good watch. [video=youtube;OjkUVJ3E2Uw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjkUVJ3E2Uw[/video] Edit: Don't get scared off by the crappy thumbnail.
Haven't had time to watch the whole thing yet but me myself would never dare to post anything this political on facepunch given its history brace yerself laddie ther's a shitstorm a-brewin
[QUOTE=mini me;49570258]Haven't had time to watch the whole thing yet but me myself would never dare to post anything this political on facepunch given its history brace yerself laddie ther's a shitstorm a-brewin[/QUOTE] Yeah, I noticed after I got dumbed 15 min after posting a 45 min video. I don't mean to start a shitstorm, and it's not an anti-refugee video. It's just about how we in the west feel too "guilty" or too scared to openly discuss these events because we may end up getting labelled as racists. Essentially we are so politically correct that we self censor ourselves which causes more trouble.
[QUOTE=Buck.;49570287]Yeah, I noticed after I got dumbed 15 min after posting a 45 min video. I don't mean to start a shitstorm, and it's not an anti-refugee video. It's just about how we in the west feel too "guilty" or too scared to openly discuss these events because we may end up getting labelled as racists.[/QUOTE] I'm probably gonna be the only person to admit this but totally agree I don't care if your black,white, asian, martian or mermaid ..if i had my own society noone will be exempt from the law because of racial PC equality has a dark side too just like everything else ..true equality means stop acting like people have special treatment with the law because they came from a shitty place
It was a good watch, well worth the 45 minutes. But the thumbnail is garbage, I hesitated quite a bit before I decided to watch it.
[QUOTE=Buck.;49570287]Yeah, I noticed after I got dumbed 15 min after posting a 45 min video. I don't mean to start a shitstorm, and it's not an anti-refugee video. It's just about how we in the west feel too "guilty" or too scared to openly discuss these events because we may end up getting labelled as racists. Essentially we are so politically correct that we self censor ourselves which causes more trouble.[/QUOTE] Probably because within the first minutes it's already "the issues are cultural" when in reality this phenomenon was created as political tool in Egypt and rapidly moved to the other Arab Spring states and the center of the trouble is an area of Cologne that is full of long-term immigrants that are here illegaly but can't be sent back because their home countries don't take them back and aren't allowed to work. [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Then of course there is the Cherry picking that starts with the very first "example" and the ridiculous thumbnail. [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Then there is this dudes Twitter [url]https://twitter.com/BrentJCCherry[/url] with gems like [quote]#OscarsSoWhite isn't racism. It's the result of equality of opportunity.[/quote] Or the other stuff. Look at this guy. [img]http://i.imgur.com/dqfVDRb.png[/img] [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Or maybe it's because he uses examples that have been long disproven like the whole "Ms. Merkel invited me" thing and so on, including that there is no connection in any way of arrested people to the mob yet. [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Ok he arrived at "conspiracy of silence". I'm out.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49570331]Probably because within the first minutes it's already "the issues are cultural" when in reality this phenomenon was created as political tool in Egypt and rapidly moved to the other Arab Spring states and the center of the trouble is an area of Cologne that is full of long-term immigrants that are here illegaly but can't be sent back because their home countries don't take them back and aren't allowed to work. [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Then of course there is the Cherry picking that starts with the very first "example" and the ridiculous thumbnail. [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Then there is this dudes Twitter [url]https://twitter.com/BrentJCCherry[/url] with gems like Or the other stuff. Look at this guy. [img]http://i.imgur.com/dqfVDRb.png[/img] [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Or maybe it's because he uses examples that have been long disproven like the whole "Ms. Merkel invited me" thing and so on, including that there is no connection in any way of arrested people to the mob yet. [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Ok he arrived at "conspiracy of silence". I'm out.[/QUOTE] That's the guy who was commissioned to do the thumbnail for the video. That's his only contribution, so most of what you're pissed off about is a crock of bollocks.
[QUOTE=mini me;49570307]I'm probably gonna be the only person to admit this but totally agree I don't care if your black,white, asian, martian or mermaid ..if i had my own society noone will be exempt from the law because of racial PC equality has a dark side too just like everything else ..true equality means stop acting like people have special treatment with the law because they came from a shitty place[/QUOTE] Then it's a good thing that nobody is exempt from the law because of political correctness. The sexual assaults and rapes are all being actively investigated. It's the other way around if anything. Racial minorities are profiled, arrested, and convicted at a higher rate than racial majorities in pretty much every country. If you really think that That's turned around in recent years because of "political correctness" you're blind, at best.
[QUOTE=Buck.;49570732]That's the guy who was commissioned to do the thumbnail for the video. That's his only contribution, so most of what you're pissed off about is a crock of bollocks.[/QUOTE] "This guy draws porn" Why does he try to slander a person this way?
Muslims refugees have a barbaric culture including rape of women. But people who talk about rape culture in Western nations are feminazis and full of shit. Ok.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571165]Muslims refugees have a barbaric culture including rape of women. But people who talk about rape culture in Western nations are feminazis and full of shit. Ok.[/QUOTE] There's no rape culture in Western nations, so at the very least those people are stupid and have an agenda to push.
[QUOTE=gudman;49571223]There's no rape culture in Western nations, so at the very least those people are stupid and have an agenda to push.[/QUOTE] The same arguements you are going to leverage against the existence of rape culture in Western nations apply to the existence of rape culture amoung migrants. While statistics on rape are without a doubt problematic, by most estimates countries like the US, Germany, Britan, etc, have rape rights that are equal to if not higher than (pick your favorite country in the Middle East / Northern Africa)
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571283] While statistics on rape are without a doubt problematic, by most estimates countries like the US, Germany, Britan, etc, have rape rights that are equal to if not higher than (pick your favorite country in the Middle East).[/QUOTE] Pretty certain that the Saudi definition of rape isn't the same as the US's. Also, Germany and Swedens rape rates are going up for a reason.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49571295]Pretty certain that the Saudi definition of rape isn't the same as the US's. Also, Germany and Swedens rape rates are going up for a reason.[/QUOTE] So you are going for "legal definitions of rape don't cover the gamut of sexual abuses that happen" and also "women in those countries don't report their rape/their rape report isn't taken seriously." ?? Please keep these arguements you just made in mind when you downplay the existence of rape culture in the West
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571283]The same arguements you are going to leverage against the existence of rape culture in Western nations apply to the existence of rape culture amoung migrants. While statistics on rape are without a doubt problematic, by most estimates countries like the US, Germany, Britan, etc, have rape rights that are equal to if not higher than (pick your favorite country in the Middle East).[/QUOTE] And I'm not going to argue against that, although my [i]favourite[/i] in that sense Middle Eastern/African countries lack anything comparable to German laws against sexual assault and violence. To call almost any nation a "[b]rape[/b] culture" will be a huge stretch, but the difference between treatment of women in the West and *pick a country many of the refugees/immigrants come from* is undeniable. It may not concern strictly rape, but violence and sexual assaults that aren't rape many of those countries' laws are pretty relaxed about. [QUOTE=Flameon;49571314]So you are going for "legal definitions of rape don't cover the gamut of sexual abuses that happen" and also "women in those countries don't report their rape/their rape report isn't taken seriously." ?? Please keep these arguements you just made in mind when you downplay the existence of rape culture in the West[/QUOTE] You realize that the extent to which rape claims/reports aren't taken seriously/go unreported in any Western country and fucking Saudi Arabia is [i]incomparable[/i]. You can't with a serious face claim that it's a systemic issue ingrained in society in USA, for example, while the same is absolutely undeniable when it comes to Saudi Arabia. If nothing else, because there's no ideology Western laws are based upon that in any way prevents the proper prosecution of perpetrators, which can't be said about Sharia.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571283]The same arguements you are going to leverage against the existence of rape culture in Western nations apply to the existence of rape culture amoung migrants. While statistics on rape are without a doubt problematic, by most estimates countries like the US, Germany, Britan, etc, have rape rights that are equal to if not higher than (pick your favorite country in the Middle East / Northern Africa)[/QUOTE] how can you possibly believe that there is an equal amount of rape in germany and saudi arabia like, it's just so patently and self evidently untrue it's like saying there's just as much murder in switzerland as there is in somalia [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;49571334]And I'm not going to argue against that, although my [i]favourite[/i] in that sense Middle Eastern/African countries lack anything comparable to German laws against sexual assault and violence. To call almost any nation a "[b]rape[/b] culture" will be a huge stretch, but the difference between treatment of women in the West and *pick a country many of the refugees/immigrants come from* is undeniable. It may not concern strictly rape, but violence and sexual assaults that aren't rape many of those countries' laws are pretty relaxed about.[/QUOTE] we are talking about countries where it is legal to beat your wife I mean of course the official rape statistics are going to be skewed if husbands are legally incapable of raping their wives
Not saying the rape rates are equal, but I think the difference between rates of sexual assault are not so significant as to justify that extra vigilant frenzy worked up about Migrants. When there are significant rates of sexual assault in Western nations, and these type of people declare "rape culture is a lie" and then migrants come to the west and they make a big fuss about rape? To me, it speaks a lot more about their xenophobic and frankly racist attitude toward non-White people as opposed to their genuine concern for gender equality.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571367]Not saying the rape rates are equal, but I think the difference between rates of sexual assault are not so significant as to justify that extra vigilant frenzy worked up about Migrants. When there are significant rates of sexual assault in Western nations, and these type of people declare "rape culture is a lie" and then migrants come to the west and they make a big fuss about rape? To me, it speaks a lot more about their xenophobic and frankly racist attitude toward non-White people as opposed to their genuine concern for gender equality.[/QUOTE] people are specifically making a fuss about organized gangs of people molesting and raping women in the street while the police stand by, unable to stop them people don't like it when criminals are able to operate freely in public labeling people who are upset at this sort of thing as racist is only going to push the general public further right
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49571380]people are specifically making a fuss about organized gangs of people molesting and raping women in the street while the police stand by, unable to stop them people don't like it when criminals are able to operate freely in public labeling people who are upset at this sort of thing as racist is only going to push the general public further right[/QUOTE] Germany had a high rape rate before migrants came and feminists there have been arguing that the police and the state have been covering up as well as not prosecuting those rapes for years. These aren't simply well-meaning and concerned citizens - they care about some controversies and not others for a variety of reasons. My point is that there is a healthy amount of cognitive dissonance going on here (I care about rape and sexual assault ... but I don't think its a problem here ... only when the migrants come) which is a product of some racist/xenophobic fantasies.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571367]Not saying the rape rates are equal, but I think the difference between rates of sexual assault are not so significant as to justify that extra vigilant frenzy worked up about Migrants. When there are significant rates of sexual assault in Western nations, and these type of people declare "rape culture is a lie" and then migrants come to the west and they make a big fuss about rape? To me, it speaks a lot more about their xenophobic and frankly racist attitude toward non-White people as opposed to their genuine concern for gender equality.[/QUOTE] The "she didn't dress up and so deserved it mindset" is codified into law in many Islamic countries. Sure it exists in the west in the many religious circles but thats an extreme minority.
I'm sure they are wonderful people and treat minorities greatly, doesn't mean their beliefs aren't racist. But If their response to being told that some of their ideas might be racist is to double down on racism, then that sounds like a "them" problem, and sounds like they are already pretty Right-ist already.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571395]Germany had a high rape rate before migrants came and feminists there have been arguing that the police and the state have been covering up as well as not prosecuting those rapes for years. These aren't simply well-meaning and concerned citizens - they care about some controversies and not others for a variety of reasons. My point is that there is a healthy amount of cognitive dissonance going on here (I care about rape and sexual assault ... but I don't think its a problem here ... only when the migrants come) which is a product of some racist/xenophobic fantasies.[/QUOTE] if gangs of german men were publicly molesting women en masse in the middle of a major city and the police were physically incapable of stopping them then, yeah, I think you'd see people being pretty upset
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49571397]The "she didn't dress up and so deserved it mindset" is codified into law in many Islamic countries. Sure it exists in the west in the many religious circles but thats an extreme minority.[/QUOTE] Gender inequality is a huge problem in Islamic countries, maybe even more so than the west! But the difference is not as stark as you think if you look at any statistics on it.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571395]Germany had a high rape rate before migrants came and feminists there have been arguing that the police and the state have been covering up as well as not prosecuting those rapes for years. These aren't simply well-meaning and concerned citizens - they care about some controversies and not others for a variety of reasons. My point is that there is a healthy amount of cognitive dissonance going on here (I care about rape and sexual assault ... but I don't think its a problem here ... only when the migrants come) which is a product of some racist/xenophobic fantasies.[/QUOTE] That is the first time I've heard that Germany had a high rape rate before this migrant crisis, so I'd like to see some sources on that. Preferably with the ethnicy of said criminals. And again, there hasn't been any mass rape epidemic like Cologne in Germany in over seven decades now. People are rightfully angry that the current governments let stuff like this happen.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49571408]if gangs of german men were publicly molesting women en masse in the middle of a major city and the police were physically incapable of stopping them then, yeah, I think you'd see people being pretty upset[/QUOTE] It is called the Disko, dude. And just because sexual assault isn't as visible in the traditional Western context doesn't make it any less heinous.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571414]Gender inequality is a huge problem in Islamic countries, maybe even more so than the west! But the difference is not as stark as you think if you look at any statistics on it.[/QUOTE] I would be very interested in whatever evidence you could provide [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Flameon;49571434]It is called the Disko, dude. And just because sexual assault isn't as visible in the traditional Western context doesn't make it any less heinous.[/QUOTE] Ah, I'm sorry, you're right. All crimes matter, and no crime is less or more important than any other crime. Ergo people who focus on certain kinds of crime are just bigoted.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49571415]That is the first time I've heard that Germany had a high rape rate before this migrant crisis, so I'd like to see some sources on that. Preferably with the ethnicy of said criminals. And again, there hasn't been any mass rape epidemic like Cologne in Germany in over seven decades now. People are rightfully angry that the current governments let stuff like this happen.[/QUOTE] Germany didn't outlaw marital rape until 1997, and feminists have been working for equality there for a long time.... including today. Pick any statistic year you want that you think is good control year (2012, 2011, etc). [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49571438]I would be very interested in whatever evidence you could provide [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] Ah, I'm sorry, you're right. All crimes matter, and no crime is less or more important than any other crime. Ergo people who focus on certain kinds of crime are just bigoted.[/QUOTE] Its not the focus on a certain crime that makes them bigots, its when they focus on ONE type of crime and downplay the existence of the other. thats what makes them bigots. you can care about german rape by migrants, thats fine, but you should also probably give a damn about german rape by germans.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571456]Its not the focus on a certain crime that makes them bigots, its when they focus on ONE type of crime and downplay the existence of the other. thats what makes them bigots. you can care about german rape by migrants, thats fine, but you should also probably give a damn about german rape by germans.[/QUOTE] at what point has anyone downplayed rape by germans?
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571456]Germany didn't outlaw marital rape until 1997, and feminists have been working for equality there for a long time.... including today. Pick any statistic year you want that you think is good control year (2012, 2011, etc). [/QUOTE] Why mention this? Many feminists are quite concerned about the rapes being committed by migrants in Germany.
[QUOTE=Flameon;49571414]Gender inequality is a huge problem in Islamic countries, maybe even more so than the west! But the difference is not as stark as you think if you look at any statistics on it.[/QUOTE] Maybe because those women in Islamic countries would get abused even more, disfigured or would even be murdered for upsetting her family's honor if they would complain or report to the authorities? Or the fact that countries like Saudi Arabia sentences women to death for being raped? How delusional can you get to claim that the differences aren't that big?
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