Lib Dems pledge to legalise cannabis and repeal the 'legal high' ban if elected - Polidicks

[url]https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-liberal-democrats-will-pledge-to-completely-legalise?utm_term=.aoV83qmY9#.lpe0pbM8R[/url] [quote]The Liberal Democrats have told BuzzFeed News they will pledge to legalise cannabis, allow it to be sold from high street shops, and spend the tax raised from sales on public health efforts in one of the most radical drugs policy manifesto commitments ever made by a British political party. Tim Farron's party will campaign in the general election with a pledge to completely upend the existing system of selling weed, making it the first time a major political party has fought an election on a platform of legalising the drug. Under the Lib Dem proposals the production and sale of marijuana would be fully legalised, with the quality strictly regulated to reduce harmful chemicals and sales restricted to over-18s. Purchases would be allowed only through licensed cannabis shops, similar to the system used in several US states. The party predicts the decision could raise up to £1 billion a year in tax from cannabis sales while saving costs elsewhere by reducing the burden on the police, prisons, and the health service. The Lib Dems believe organised criminal gangs would suffer a hit to their income and dealers would be forced off the streets, while it would easy for people to access cannabis for medicinal purposes.[/quote]

The Lib Dems are a problem. If the system was not FPTP, then there wouldn't be any problems with their existence, but as it stands, all that party exists to do is divide the vote of the British left wing. If you look at the campaign map for Tim Farron, he is hitting areas that are Labour - he doesn't touch Conservative areas at all. The Lib Dems are essentially parasites. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39885399[/URL] at least some of them are realising this. top quote from the article I posted [QUOTE]Posted by Pucho on 25 minutes ago Typical Liberal Democrats behaviour in dropping their underwear and inviting 3rd world ethnic minorities to enter through the back doors.[/QUOTE] typical BBC garbage comment

gl banning legal highs. The reason they're so hard to tie down is because every time they ban one someone just comes up with a slightly different compound with a similar effect and sells it as plant feed or something. What are they gonna do? Ban all compounds not on a "not a legal high" white list?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52218183]gl banning legal highs. The reason they're so hard to tie down is because every time they ban one someone just comes up with a slightly different compound with a similar effect and sells it as plant feed or something. What are they gonna do? Ban all compounds not on a "not a legal high" white list?[/QUOTE] It's already in effect, and that's exactly what they did. [url]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/2/contents[/url]

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52218171]The Lib Dems are a problem. If the system was not FPTP, then there wouldn't be any problems with their existence, but as it stands, all that party exists to do is divide the vote of the British left wing. If you look at the campaign map for Tim Farron, he is hitting areas that are Labour - he doesn't touch Conservative areas at all. The Lib Dems are essentially parasites. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39885399[/URL] at least some of them are realising this. top quote from the article I posted typical BBC garbage comment[/QUOTE] For some dumb reason we rejected a better system. Still won't stop me voting lib Dems.

[QUOTE=meharryp;52218193]For some dumb reason we rejected a better system. Still won't stop me voting lib Dems.[/QUOTE] it was poorly represented at the time. Pretty much all the media and the dominant voices in the parties manage to paint it as an expensive, time waster with no benefits. Just before you vote think back to nick clegg. As the pencil hovers over the box recall the promises. As you draw your pencil in a diagonal line, scraping against the paper: remember the betrayal. Na just being a dick, lib dems are looking pretty tempting. Will have to wait to see their manifesto.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52218171]The Lib Dems are a problem. If the system was not FPTP, then there wouldn't be any problems with their existence, but as it stands, all that party exists to do is divide the vote of the British left wing. If you look at the campaign map for Tim Farron, he is hitting areas that are Labour - he doesn't touch Conservative areas at all. The Lib Dems are essentially parasites. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39885399[/URL] at least some of them are realising this. top quote from the article I posted typical BBC garbage comment[/QUOTE] what a fucking dumb way of looking at it. i'm voting lib dem because, shock horror, i want a centre-left alternative to Labour.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52218216]what a fucking dumb way of looking at it. i'm voting lib dem because, shock horror, i want a centre-left alternative to Labour.[/QUOTE] The recent manifesto is centre left

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52218171]The Lib Dems are a problem. If the system was not FPTP, then there wouldn't be any problems with their existence, but as it stands, all that party exists to do is divide the vote of the [B]British left wing.[/B][/QUOTE] They are most centrist than any other British left-wing political parties out there thus must be British centrist party, but regardless they still spoil your system because they are "originally" think they have stupid shoot to returning their former glory like their predecessor (Liberal Party). And they typically succeed pandering moronic voters out there than any third party. Mmm... [QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52218216]what a fucking dumb way of looking at it. [B]i'm voting lib dem[/B] because, shock horror, i want a centre-left alternative to Labour. i don't believe Corbyn to be a viable leader.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=meharryp;52218193]For some dumb reason we rejected a better system. [B]Still won't stop me voting lib Dems[/B].[/QUOTE] Odd from guy who usually got Centre-right to right-wing views. [QUOTE=Vasili;52218656][B]I'm voting Lib Dem[/B] again but I'm not sure about legal highs, there were some that were rightly banned.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52218223]The recent manifesto is centre left[/QUOTE] i don't believe Corbyn to be a viable leader.

[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52218224]They are most centrist than any other British left wing political parties out there thus must be British centrist party, but regardless they still spoil your system because they are "originally" think they have stupid shoot to returning their former glory like their processor.[/QUOTE] well at 1 point new labour was centre right I think the concern is that lib dems will be splitting the left vote, in a time and country (England) where the left seriously need to be united if they hope to have any chance of winning.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52218230]well at 1 point new labour was centre right I think the concern is that lib dems will be splitting the left vote, in a time and country (England) where the left seriously need to be united if they hope to have any chance of winning.[/QUOTE] Yea they are typically splitting centrist or centre-left/right vote since Labour Party replace Liberal party status as a major party since the 1910s.

[QUOTE=subenji99;52218187]It's already in effect, and that's exactly what they did. [URL]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/2/contents[/URL][/QUOTE] lol exactly - and they didn't define properly what psychoactive meant afaik so any product that changes mood even fruit tea is technically banned They exempted caffeine but afaik forgot to exempt theobromine so even PG Tips is illegal It's some of the stupidest worst written legislation ever

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52218202]it was poorly represented at the time. Pretty much all the media and the dominant voices in the parties manage to paint it as an expensive, time waster with no benefits. Just before you vote think back to nick clegg. As the pencil hovers over the box recall the promises. As you draw your pencil in a diagonal line, scraping against the paper: remember the betrayal. Na just being a dick, lib dems are looking pretty tempting. Will have to wait to see their manifesto.[/QUOTE] I know it's a joke, but Tim Farron actually voted against tuition fees and [url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/sep/23/libdems-fight-tuition-fees]spoke out against it at the time[/url] so I don't really consider that to be something to hold against them anymore. Would be a bit like blaming Corbyn for the Iraq War His since-abandoned refusal to say that being gay is not a sin was an embarrassment though

this is a ridiculous campaign pledge, legal highs are dangerous and addictive fucking idiots

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52218230][B]well at 1 point new labour was centre right [/B] I think the concern is that lib dems will be splitting the left vote, in a time and country (England) where the left seriously need to be united if they hope to have any chance of winning.[/QUOTE] ?? Labour have NEVER been centre-right. They were the most centrist under Blair, they've never gone right.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52218270]?? Labour have NEVER been centre-right. They were the most centrist under Blair, they've never gone right.[/QUOTE] Economically they were centrist to centre-right under "Third way"/neoliberalism policies. And sadly this is the same problem with my country's Democratic Party with "New Democrats".

I'm glad the Lib Dems are supporting this policy - I believe that cannabis legalisation is largely inevitable in my life time and I would rather the government gets tax money from it than organised crime tbh. [QUOTE=JustExtreme;52218255]lol exactly - and they didn't define properly what psychoactive meant afaik so any product that changes mood even fruit tea is technically banned They exempted caffeine but afaik forgot to exempt theobromine so even PG Tips is illegal It's some of the stupidest worst written legislation ever[/QUOTE] I think the relevant bit of the law is this bit: [QUOTE=From the Legislation you quoted]2 Meaning of “psychoactive substance” etc (1)In this Act “psychoactive substance” means any substance which— (a)is capable of producing a psychoactive effect in a person who consumes it, and (b)is not an exempted substance (see section 3).[/QUOTE] If I'm reading the law right, PG Tips contains a non-exempt substance [I]but[/I] isn't capable of producing a psychoactive effect. For it to be considered a 'psychoactive substance' it has to satisfy both (a) and (b). But I'm not a trained lawyer so I might be reading it wrong.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52218270]?? Labour have NEVER been centre-right. They were the most centrist under Blair, they've never gone right.[/QUOTE] There are so many progressive things that New Labour brought in that we now take for granted and forget about. It always shocks me that the minimum wage didn't exist before New Labour, and all the devolved assemblies too. And discussion of homosexuality in school was banned

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52218270]?? Labour have NEVER been centre-right. They were the most centrist under Blair, they've never gone right.[/QUOTE] probably stems from a different understanding of centre. Academies were introduced by blair Creeping privatisation to NHS with quangos (semi private) Other privatisation into public sector, would have been more had there been less opposition from within labour itself lots of camerons/coalitions stuff was just a continuation of blair albeit with breaks taken off and with added "austerity measures" For me centre left is wanting utlities, railways nationalised. Far left would be further invasion into the private sector or stuff like price floors on a wide scale. Centre is nationalise healthcare, post, education. Then I centre right to far right is increasing privatisation in healthcare, policing, education etc. No real standard as far as I know regarding how to quantify this [editline]12th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mythman;52218282]I'm glad the Lib Dems are supporting this policy - I believe that cannabis legalisation is largely inevitable in my life time and I would rather the government gets tax money from it than organised crime tbh. I think the relevant bit of the law is this bit: If I'm reading the law right, PG Tips contains a non-exempt substance [I]but[/I] isn't capable of producing a psychoactive effect. For it to be considered a 'psychoactive substance' it has to satisfy both (a) and (b). But I'm not a trained lawyer so I might be reading it wrong.[/QUOTE] is nutmeg in the the exempted substances? that'll mess you up good

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;52218255]lol exactly - and they didn't define properly what psychoactive meant afaik so any product that changes mood even fruit tea is technically banned They exempted caffeine but afaik forgot to exempt theobromine so even PG Tips is illegal It's some of the stupidest worst written legislation ever[/QUOTE] Reminds me of how it's illegal to have sex in Florida :v:

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52218289][B]There are so many progressive things[/B] that New Labour brought in that we now take for granted and forget about. It always shocks me that the minimum wage didn't exist before New Labour, and all the devolved assemblies too. And discussion of homosexuality in school was banned[/QUOTE] This is what Neoliberals on social issues are because technically they don't have one. Instead, they borrow social progressive/liberal issues (aka Identity politics) as their own because again they technically don't have real social issue if those people who treat neoliberalism as ideology.

I'm voting Lib Dem again but I'm not sure about legal highs, there were some that were rightly banned.

[QUOTE=Vasili;52218656]I'm voting Lib Dem again but I'm not sure about legal highs, there were some that were rightly banned.[/QUOTE] Pushing the supply underground doesn't necessarily improve the situation. While Spice and Black Mamba, etc. are really bad I'm not convinced gifting them to the black market is a solution. I think the focus of drug policy should be on minimising harms primarily. Really there should be regulation and licencing of psychoactive substances.

[QUOTE=Vasili;52218656]I'm voting Lib Dem again but I'm not sure about legal highs, there were some that were rightly banned.[/QUOTE] People won't buy the really nasty ones if the safe ones are legal.

Lib Dems pledging something? Hahah

[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52218343]This is what Neoliberals on social issues are because technically they don't have one, Instead, they borrow social progressive/liberal issues (aka Identity politics) as their own because again they technically don't have real social issue if those people who treat neoliberalism as ideology.[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52218226]i don't believe Corbyn to be a viable leader.[/QUOTE] But would you prefer Theresa May over Corbyn? Our voting system sucks and almost requires you to vote tactically for your vote to be meaningful. Look at the previous election results in your area, vote for the one closest to the Conservatives, in some areas it's lib dems but for most it's Labour.

[QUOTE=SeamanStains;52218764]Lib Dems pledging something? Hahah[/QUOTE] Good point. We've no reason to trust them, or anyone for that matter.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52218171]The Lib Dems are a problem. If the system was not FPTP, then there wouldn't be any problems with their existence, but as it stands, all that party exists to do is divide the vote of the British left wing. If you look at the campaign map for Tim Farron, he is hitting areas that are Labour - he doesn't touch Conservative areas at all. The Lib Dems are essentially parasites. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39885399[/URL] at least some of them are realising this. top quote from the article I posted typical BBC garbage comment[/QUOTE] We could call labour the parasites too for insisting on a damn near unelectable leader but even regardless of that pls elect corbyn guys. Even if he's a little bit of a silly billy he's an actual decent person instead of Theresa May.