• [UK EU referendum] Osborne warns of Brexit budget cuts
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[quote]George Osborne says he will have to slash public spending and increase taxes in an emergency Budget to tackle a £30bn "black hole" if the UK votes to leave the European Union. The chancellor will say this could include raising income and inheritance taxes and cutting the NHS budget. ... The IFS has said such an outcome could trigger between an extra one to two years of austerity measures. ... Writing in The Times ahead of their speech, Mr Osborne and Lord Darling say that leaving the EU would lead to a "profound economic shock that would hit the economy and could tip Britain back into recession". [/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36534192[/url] I'm very much pro remain but this sort of heavy handed threatening stuff isn't going to convince people, especially when farage and his gang of tories are barking about "operation fear". All it does is associate the austerity measures and budget cuts, which people hate, with the stay campaign; reality is most of the anti austerity people are pro remain. In other news [quote]The CBI said business groups from countries including Norway, Switzerland and Canada had outlined the "serious shortcomings" in their alternative relationships with the EU Rolls-Royce writes to its staff saying it backs a Remain vote [/quote] edit: Many mps from both sides are opposed to the budget cuts. Silly osborne, back to your room, no more cocaine for you today.
It just comes across as desperate now. The public will make up their own minds in due course but not based on the constant barage of half-truths supplied by our beloved MP's. I see some symmetry between some politicians and some FP members when trying to get a point across. It's on par with the rhetoric used when they were debating the Euro. We all know how wide of the mark the pro-Euro gang were, now.
honestly, im pro eu but cameron and osbornes campaign is just the fucking worst. this comes across as more of a threat than anything else.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50525314]It just comes across as desperate now. The public will make up their own minds in due course but not based on the constant barage of half-truths supplied by our beloved MP's. I see some symmetry between some politicians and some FP members when trying to get a point across.[/QUOTE] Well I agree they are desperate but the public are being thoroughly mislead, especially by the leave campaign. Case in point [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html[/url] And [t]http://puu.sh/pi6ZU/ab1af2fabf.jpg[/t] Also the media it fairly bias (on both sides but I feel leave gets more positive coverage) [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-poll-idUSKCN0YZ2FY[/url] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/eu-referendum-the-sun-urges-readers-to-vote-leave-as-murdoch-applies-pressure-a7080881.html[/url] [quote] while the nation's biggest-selling newspaper urged readers to vote to quit the bloc.[/quote] [quote=anthony hilton]I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.[/quote] You, you neighbour and your friends and family are being lied to with the intent to make you vote against your own interest.
[url]http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/george-osborne-threatens-punish-voters-tax-rises-defy-brexit/[/url] This article does a great job of explaining why Osborne is bullshitting. Besides he'd never get it through parliament.
[QUOTE=Marzipas;50525334]honestly, im pro eu but cameron and osbornes campaign is just the fucking worst. this comes across as more of a threat than anything else.[/QUOTE] Should have let someone else lead the remain campaign. Cameron stands for p much everything most people hate - austerity, lack of transparency, double standards (google doesn't have to pay taxes but you and your local businesses do), "rich boy club", tax avoidance (profiting directly from), corruption (piggate thing emerged because he was being blackmailed to give some special treatment) If they had picked someone not cameron than the remain campaign could have used IDS, Boris, Farage and Gove being on leave as a "if you vote to leave you vote with them and they stand for all that shit you don't like"
This government has practically destroyed the remain campaign by taking a side. As much as remain is the better option they should've been neutral with all the facts but nope, all they've done is give ammo to the fucking leave crowd who take advantage of people's ignorance by pasting leaflets all over pubs.
The issue with the entire shindig is that it's very hard to make your own opinions matter. A vote to leave is a vote for Farage who's a bumblefuck, and a vote to stay in is a pat on the back for Cameron and Osbornes shitpit.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;50526771]The issue with the entire shindig is that it's very hard to make your own opinions matter. A vote to leave is a vote for Farage who's a bumblefuck, and a vote to stay in is a pat on the back for Cameron and Osbornes shitpit.[/QUOTE] Not really. in terms of domestically: Voting in will maintain Osborne and Cameron. However, the alternative is putting into place Boris (who is awful). Either way, voting out wouldn't help anyone but the right-wing of the Conservative Party. Even if another election were held in response to Cameron leaving from an 'out' vote, the Conservatives would just get a bigger majority because Corbyn is an incompetent. So if you don't want a more right-wing government, don't vote out.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;50526771]The issue with the entire shindig is that it's very hard to make your own opinions matter. A vote to leave is a vote for Farage who's a bumblefuck, and a vote to stay in is a pat on the back for Cameron and Osbornes shitpit.[/QUOTE] You don't have to blindly side with something or commit to some ideal just cause you're voting on an issue. Vote for what you think is best.
[QUOTE=cyclocius;50526771]The issue with the entire shindig is that it's very hard to make your own opinions matter. A vote to leave is a vote for Farage who's a bumblefuck, and a vote to stay in is a pat on the back for Cameron and Osbornes shitpit.[/QUOTE] The way that both Labour and the Conservatives are divided over the issue I think is telling enough that it's just a complex non-partisan issue, and that in a way you just need to see it completely independently from the mess that is the vote campaigns.
I think it's important that people don't get sucked into voting for the wrong reasons. I don't know whether it's true or not that if we voted out we would end up with an even worse government, but I don't care. At the of the day I'm making my decision based on what I think is best for the UK in relation to the EU - I'm not voting because I want Boris in power. There will come a time for voting on which person and party we want to run the country - but this is not it. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity so don't waste it.
who says Cameron will lose his job and Boris will be PM if the UK vote to leave it'll be down to the conseritive party to deceide if Cameron stays and if theres a vote for him to leave there could be more than just boris who might stand up to do the job, then there might be a cabinet reshuffle because some pm might not want to work with Boris if he get to power creating an uncertain enviroment for the country even before we've started new trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world
[QUOTE=taz0;50527498]who says Cameron will lose his job and Boris will be PM if the UK vote to leave it'll be down to the conseritive party to deceide if Cameron stays and if theres a vote for him to leave there could be more than just boris who might stand up to do the job, then there might be a cabinet reshuffle because some pm might not want to work with Boris if he get to power creating an uncertain enviroment for the country even before we've started new trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world[/QUOTE] Cameron can't realistically survive if we vote to leave. The Conservative Party is overall favouring leave, and given his wafer-thin majority even a small amount of rebellions can force him to call a new leadership contest or resign. He may say that he will stay on, but that isn't political reality. Even if we vote to Remain, his position in a divided Conservative party is weak and he may again have to step down anyway.
so both sides are dog shit since some the pro stay are shit and the pro go are shit
[QUOTE=Erfly;50526893]The way that both Labour and the Conservatives are divided over the issue I think is telling enough that it's just a complex non-partisan issue, and that in a way you just need to see it completely independently from the mess that is the vote campaigns.[/QUOTE] labour is hardly divided over the issue. it really is just a minority of the tory party
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