Paedophile Teacher 'One Of The Worst Predators' - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A paedophile teacher who abused dozens of pupils at a London school is one of the most prolific sexual predators ever, the FBI has said. The American agency is leading the investigation into the crimes of William James Vahey, who killed himself as authorities began to uncover the scale of his abuse at schools across the world. FBI Special Agent Shauna Dunlap said: "Without a doubt, this is certainly one of the most prolific suspected sexual predators that we've seen, given the numbers of children, potential victims, his position of trust, and so forth. Vahey's crimes were uncovered after a maid stole a USB stick from his house containing images of his victims. The document explains how Vahey reported a theft from his apartment in Nicaragua in 2013. His maid was dismissed, but handed a memory stick she stole to the American Nicaraguan School in Managua, Nicaragua. The images it contained "depict minor males in various states of undress" who "appear to be asleep, unconscious or possibly drugged". Staff at the Nicaraguan school confronted Vahey, who told them he was molested as a child and had preyed on boys all his life. Vahey was convicted of a child sex offence in California in 1969 but appears to have failed to sign the sex offenders' register. [/QUOTE] [url]https://uk.news.yahoo.com/paedophile-teacher-one-worst-predators-023027548.html#rE9AgBn[/url]

Give that maid an award for having stolen the USB. Otherwise, none of this would have come to light.

[b]"Vahey was convicted of a child sex offence in California in 1969 but appears to have failed to sign the sex offenders' register."[/b] Shocker. Criminals don't obey laws. Props' to the maid, though...

Never was this smiley more appropriate: [img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/a/7/pedophiles.001.gif[/img]

[quote]who killed himself as authorities began to uncover the scale of his abuse at schools across the world.[/quote] I fucking hate it when criminals do this. This is the only time that I think suicide is selfish, when people do it to avoid facing any kind of punishment for the terrible things they've done.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;44656820]I fucking hate it when criminals do this. This is the only time that I think suicide is selfish, when people do it to avoid facing any kind of punishment for the terrible things they've done.[/QUOTE] well... considering what tends to happen to pedophiles in prisons, its kinda logical one would rather kill itself.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;44656820]I fucking hate it when criminals do this. This is the only time that I think suicide is selfish, when people do it to avoid facing any kind of punishment for the terrible things they've done.[/QUOTE] Look at it this way, dead is dead, and they'd rather kill themselves than risk a worse fate through another source. And they would rather cheat justice than see it done, even if the punishment holds out a way of escaping.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;44656820]I fucking hate it when criminals do this. This is the only time that I think suicide is selfish, when people do it to avoid facing any kind of punishment for the terrible things they've done.[/QUOTE] i dunno mate, so long as they can't ever do this shit again i'm happy. whether that's them being dead or them being in jail

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44656874]i dunno mate, so long as they can't ever do this shit again i'm happy. whether that's them being dead or them being in jail[/QUOTE] I think living out the consequences of his actions is a far more just punishment than death - it's not all about him too, it's also about his victims. I can't speak on their behalf but your rapist killing himself probably isn't the best closure you could have. [editline]27th April 2014[/editline] That's why a lot of big offenders kill themselves at the end of a spree, because in their eyes, it means they won. They will never get a chance to be captured and prosecuted - I don't know if this dude considers his suicide a win, but we won't even know now. It would feel pretty shitty as a victim if you thought there was even a possibility that he considered himself the 'winner' for his suicide.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;44656891]I think living out the consequences of his actions is a far more just punishment than death - it's not all about him too, it's also about his victims. I can't speak on their behalf but your rapist killing himself probably isn't the best closure you could have.[/QUOTE] i dunno, knowing the guy that raped you is dead seems like better closure to me than knowing they're still alive and kicking in a prison they could theoretically escape from or be paroled from. and i'm not big on punishment in the justice system, i'd be more happy just knowing they're gone from the earth than knowing they're suffering on it

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44656899]i dunno, knowing the guy that raped you is dead seems like better closure to me than knowing they're still alive and kicking in a prison they could theoretically escape from or be paroled from. and i'm not big on punishment in the justice system, i'd be more happy just knowing they're gone from the earth than knowing they're suffering on it[/QUOTE] then wouldn't you in theory be for capital punishment? which is pretty bad

i think when you start looking at it in a winner v loser mindset it kinda fucks the whole thing up. maybe sick fucks like this would consider killing themselves before they can be trialed a 'win' but that's why they're sick in the head twisted fuckwits and why we're regular human beings

[QUOTE=Rusty100;44656907]then wouldn't you in theory be for capital punishment? which is pretty bad[/QUOTE] Why do you believe capital punishment is bad?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;44656907]then wouldn't you in theory be for capital punishment? which is pretty bad[/QUOTE] yeah i dunno i guess i'm kinda torn on the issue, i believe in a rehabilitative prison system cause i reckon most crime is due to circumstance and that a punitive justice system just perpetuates the cycle of crime & poverty. but at the same time i'm certainly not bothered when rapists and pedophiles and serial killers die. so yeah i dunno, i guess that's more my emotional response to it? it's hard for me to say 'i think this man who sexually abused many children can be rehabilitated' i guess

[QUOTE=Berque-IL;44656918]Why do you believe capital punishment is bad?[/QUOTE] are you that guy again because then this would be a dumb argument to have - but because killing for killing is barbaric. eye for an eye mentality has no place in modern society. it's hypocritical and morally reprehensible, all human life is sacred no matter how bad an offender they are.

[QUOTE=Berque-IL;44656918]Why do you believe capital punishment is bad?[/QUOTE] because taking a life is fucked up no matter how you cut it. and the government having the power to mandate that is also quite fucked up

Who cares, we're way too quickly jumping to the vengeful mindset and that's not what justice should be about. What he did was terrible and no matter what is done it's going to be extremely tough for all the victims, no matter the kind of 'closure' they get. He's gone now and the focus should be on helping the victims. Let's stop being so entrenched in our thirst for punishment / justice / revenge / whatever you want to call it.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;44656931]are you that guy again because then this would be a dumb argument to have - but because killing for killing is barbaric. eye for an eye mentality has no place in modern society. it's hypocritical and morally reprehensible, all human life is sacred no matter how bad an offender they are.[/QUOTE] see i agree with this, but at the same time when i hear about shit like rapists and pedophiles and all that shit my gut just says 'these fucks should be dead' i'm not at the point where i want them to be tortured or raped in prison or anything like that, i just want them gone from earth, but as you said that's fucked up want people dead but it's hard in my mind to not be disgusted to the point of wishing death upon people that do such reprehensible shit

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44656927]yeah i dunno i guess i'm kinda torn on the issue, i believe in a rehabilitative prison system cause i reckon most crime is due to circumstance and that a punitive justice system just perpetuates the cycle of crime & poverty. but at the same time i'm certainly not bothered when rapists and pedophiles and serial killers die. so yeah i dunno, i guess that's more my emotional response to it? it's hard for me to say 'i think this man who sexually abused many children can be rehabilitated' i guess[/QUOTE] I'm much the same on this. I also believe that the majority of criminals can be rehabilitated and find a useful place in society, in theory at least, but certain types of people are too dangerous to keep around. Better let them have a single dance on air or that they kill themselves before they cause any more misery than they already have. 'Everybody can be rehabilitated' is a thought for a kinder, gentler world than we live in at present.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44656932]because taking a life is fucked up no matter how you cut it. and the government having the power to mandate that is also quite fucked up[/QUOTE] Is taking the life of someone who shoots and kills an innocent civilian in a home invasion over material possessions bad? Am I a bad person for not demonizing capital punishment?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44656927]yeah i dunno i guess i'm kinda torn on the issue, i believe in a rehabilitative prison system cause i reckon most crime is due to circumstance and that a punitive justice system just perpetuates the cycle of crime & poverty. but at the same time i'm certainly not bothered when rapists and pedophiles and serial killers die. so yeah i dunno, i guess that's more my emotional response to it? it's hard for me to say 'i think this man who sexually abused many children can be rehabilitated' i guess[/QUOTE] he can't be rehabilitated, yeah, but he can be contained. and before that other guy brings up money issues, it costs more for the bureaucracy to kill someone too - not to mention any amount of money to prevent death is worth it.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44656927]it's hard for me to say 'i think this man who sexually abused many children can be rehabilitated' i guess[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone that isn't mentally ill has the capacity to commit such acts as in this case, maybe we can't rehabilitate these people. But we can learn from them and help the future.

[QUOTE=Berque-IL;44656947]Is taking the life of someone who shoots and kills an innocent civilian in a home invasion over material possessions bad? Am I a bad person for not demonizing capital punishment?[/QUOTE] yes. in my eyes you're about as dark on the inside as ones who commit such crimes.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;44656931]are you that guy again because then this would be a dumb argument to have - but because killing for killing is barbaric. eye for an eye mentality has no place in modern society. it's hypocritical and morally reprehensible, all human life is sacred no matter how bad an offender they are.[/QUOTE] Just a question. I wanted to know from exactly which direction you were coming by deeming capital punishment bad, that's all.

[QUOTE=Berque-IL;44656947]Is taking the life of someone who shoots and kills an innocent civilian in a home invasion over material possessions bad? Am I a bad person for not demonizing capital punishment?[/QUOTE] People will turn up saying 'they should have attempted to cooperate with the criminal', 'possessions aren't worth your life' and that sort of thing, even if the criminal doesn't really care and would have shot the inmate(s) anyway. Nothing is black or white in that sort of thing, it's just that you can never tell what will exactly happen in any given situation. There's a reason why we should expect the unexpected no matter how cut and dry a situation might appear to be.

[QUOTE=Jookia;44656954]I don't think anyone that isn't mentally ill has the capacity to commit such acts as in this case, maybe we can't rehabilitate these people. But we can learn from them and help the future.[/QUOTE] yeah like, almost always when you delve deeper into the people that do this kinda shit you find their histories of mental illness or child abuse and all that kinda shit [editline]27th April 2014[/editline] i think this kinda stuff is one of the most morally complicated issues there is

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;44656941]Who cares, we're way too quickly jumping to the vengeful mindset and that's not what justice should be about. What he did was terrible and no matter what is done it's going to be extremely tough for all the victims, no matter the kind of 'closure' they get. He's gone now and the focus should be on helping the victims. Let's stop being so entrenched in our thirst for punishment / justice / revenge / whatever you want to call it.[/QUOTE] obviously the most focus should be on helping the victims - but it's not that i'm out for punishment or revenge. i just think the least he deserves is to be alive when he's accused of his crimes. so he can feel whatever that might bring him. someone who commits this kind of shit isn't thinking about the mental repercussions it will have on the kid, they'll push that aside to get their rock off. before they're outta this world i would hope they can finally realise how much they hurt somebody (or many).

[QUOTE=Rusty100;44656957]yes. in my eyes you're about as dark on the inside as ones who commit such crimes.[/QUOTE] But.. perhaps not dark in the sense that I am a danger to society. Maybe dark in that I have experienced human suffering first hand, at the hand of those same home invaders. They just caught the guys last week actually...Honestly all I want at this point is for them to find peace and positive energy in their lives...while incarcerated for a hot minute of course.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44656973]yeah like, almost always when you delve deeper into the people that do this kinda shit you find their histories of mental illness or child abuse and all that kinda shit [editline]27th April 2014[/editline] i think this kinda stuff is one of the most morally complicated issues there is[/QUOTE] exactly - child abusers were more often than not abused as a child themselves. which is exactly why they should finally have their actions brought to light, so the damage they cause can become real to them and they can face the mental consequences.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;44656981]obviously the most focus should be on helping the victims - but it's not that i'm out for punishment or revenge. i just think the least he deserves is to be alive when he's accused of his crimes. so he can feel whatever that might bring him. someone who commits this kind of shit isn't thinking about the mental repercussions it will have on the kid, they'll push that aside to get their rock off. before they're outta this world i would hope they can finally realise how much they hurt somebody (or many).[/QUOTE] except many of the people that do this kinda crap are incapable of realizing the hurt they've done. sociopaths/psychopaths who are the usual perpetrators of really disgusting crimes just don't feel empathy. which again brings up how complicated this shit is, does someone who is born without the capacity for empathy deserve to be demonized to the point that we demonize these people? (although again i'd say yes, any fuck who would rape another person or murder another person can just get fucked in my book but again that's my morality/emotions overcoming whatever)