[quote]Detroit — A federal judge Wednesday suspended a recount of the Nov. 8 presidential election that started three days ago and has yet to reveal fraud or significantly alter the results.
The manual statewide recount cost as much as $3 million but stopped after U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith lifted a temporary restraining order preventing state officials from stopping a recount prompted by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein. A state election board could end the recount at a scheduled Thursday meeting.
Stein’s attorneys have already appealed to the Michigan Supreme Court to get a state Court of Appeals ruling overturned. That ruling instructs the Board of State of Canvassers to officially end the recount on Thursday.[/quote]
[url=http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/judge-michigan-recount/95081650/]Source[/url]
But why exactly? I didn't expect the recount to turn up any new information but surely when an election is so close it can only be a good thing to be sure?
[QUOTE=June;51495627]But why exactly? I didn't expect the recount to turn up any new information but surely when an election is so close it can only be a good thing to be sure?[/QUOTE]
It actually wastes a ton of money if I remember correctly.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51495634]It actually wastes a ton of money if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't it all private money, not taxpayer money?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51495634]It actually wastes a ton of money if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]
Mich already did a a recount. This would be the third one. I cant find a source due to Stein's petition clogging up my search.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51495643]Wasn't it all private money, not taxpayer money?[/QUOTE]
Estimated costs are continuing to rise, IIRC. If Jill is unable to match costs, the rest goes to taxpayers.
i suspect michigan democrats are in shock that they lost the state.
fine by me if they want to recount, but if you've done a recount already and the results stayed the same, it's pretty obvious it won't change a third time, unless you're mr. garrison teaching kindergarten.
I admire their dedication to not give up the fight, but the results are the results. The public made a horrendously stupid mistake voting for Trump, and now they're going to watch it play out for four years, and possibly more- watch swing state voters get duped by crony capitalism "bringing back the jobs we lost to China," even if those jobs were shitty, low-paying and low-tech industrial jobs better suited to developing countries in East Asia than to the supposedly most advanced country on Earth. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they consider regression into an unregulated, non-union rat race to be a victory if they already consider Trump's election a victory.
They're noble for trying, but you can't save the public when it chooses self-destruction in a landslide.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51495643]Wasn't it all private money, not taxpayer money?[/QUOTE]
They are trying to [url=www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/06/candidates-who-lose-big-would-have-pay-full-recount-tab/95041598/]pass a law at the moment so it will be[/url], charging Jill Stein the whole cost.
[QUOTE=June;51495627]But why exactly? I didn't expect the recount to turn up any new information but surely when an election is so close it can only be a good thing to be sure?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Stein failed to show she was an aggrieved candidate as defined by state law and entitled to a recount, the judge said. He concluded Stein’s request to test the election system’s vulnerability to fraud lacked evidence.
“The vulnerability of our system of voting poses the threat of a potentially devastating attack on the integrity of our election system,” Goldsmith wrote.
“But invoking a court’s aid to remedy that problem in the manner plaintiffs have chosen — seeking a recount as an audit of the election to test whether the vulnerability led to actual compromise of the voting system — has never been endorsed by any court, and would require, at a minimum, evidence of significant fraud or mistake — and not speculative fear of them. Such evidence has not been presented here.”[/QUOTE]
Basically, she can't show that she was an aggrieved candidate, nor can she show evidence of fraud or mistake.
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;51505597]UPDATE: [url=http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/09/trump-justices-recount/95192294/]Michigian Supreme Court denies Jill Stein's appeal to restart recount[/url][/QUOTE]
Can she just go away? She already raised millions of dollars for the green party, they don't need any more.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51495634]It actually wastes a ton of money if I remember correctly.[/QUOTE]
they have to give her a refund of the money she put up to get the recount though, all of it, all several million.
[QUOTE=Pops;51509257]Can she just go away? She already raised millions of dollars for the green party, they don't need any more.[/QUOTE]
That is not why she raised money.
[editline]10th December 2016[/editline]
Also her trying to restart the recount is the OPPOSITE of holding the money, she WANTS to spend it, but they're blocking her.
I saw this [url=https://medium.com/@nick_sharp/what-i-saw-at-the-michigan-recount-7c46fdc87243#.v4ktpd49z]Medium post[/url] making the rounds on facebook
[QUOTE]It was a bloodbath.
I did not count a single vote during my entire first four-hour shift.
Trump’s legal team was there in force, circling the room like sharks. They were challenging everything, gumming up the works and disqualifying whole precincts. I was only aware of a single Green Party attorney plus one law student in my (large) room. Many challenges had one or more Trump lawyers speaking with election officials, and no legal advocate present for the other side; they were simply outnumbered and outgunned.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51518412]I saw this [url=https://medium.com/@nick_sharp/what-i-saw-at-the-michigan-recount-7c46fdc87243#.v4ktpd49z]Medium post[/url] making the rounds on facebook[/QUOTE]
I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 600, alex. Unless it was in Florida, then it probably happened.
After reading the article, it probably happened.
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