[quote]Fifa has turned down a request from England and Scotland for players to wear armbands featuring poppies on Armistice Day, the Scottish FA says.
England play Scotland in a World Cup qualifier at Wembley on 11 November, the day when the United Kingdom traditionally remembers its war dead.
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[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37832115[/URL]
Fuck Fifa, our FA's are shite but i hope they tell Fifa to go fuck themselves and do it anyway.
Fifa hates the troops
After the 2018 bidding process and the corruption scandal that followed, you would think Fifa would be wise enough to not light the perilously short wire the English FA has with them.
Get signing people!
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Hopefully they wear it anyway
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51292303]seriously? I don't understand why they wont allow it.
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its not political lol[/QUOTE]
pardon my ignorance but isn't plastering sponsors all over a shirt a commercial message?
'Political, religious or commercial'?
The poppy is to commemorate soldiers who died in the wars of the 20th and 21st centuries. I don't really see how that's political, religious or commercial, unless you think 'it's sad that people died' is a political viewpoint.
Fifa is unfortunately still stuck in the 18th century, video footage for example is not a valid reason to give some penalty if they do something.
[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;51292361]Hopefully they wear it anyway[/QUOTE]
Imagine FIFA trying to scramble a response afterwards.
Can they censure them? They can try, but the public outcry would be hilarious, especially since the poppy is not a political statement.
"war dead" kind of is political though. You can't really deny that.
[QUOTE=false prophet;51292389]"war dead" kind of is political though. You can't really deny that.[/QUOTE]
What is political about it?
[QUOTE=phaedon;51292395]What is political about it?[/QUOTE]
It's saying, beyond a doubt, "these soldiers died in a way that we wish to honor, in a war that we will remember."
Which, although to you does not signal, "WW1 was a good idea," if Japanese footballers wore an armband signalling honor towards the Japanese soldiers killed in WW2, south east Asia would have a collective shitstorm, since they view that entire war, and all soldiers in it, as not worth remembering or honoring in any shape or form.
This is a typical example of anything nationalistic in the UK being considered right wing.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51292545]It's saying, beyond a doubt, "these soldiers died in a way that we wish to honor, in a war that we will remember."
Which, although to you does not signal, "WW1 was a good idea," if Japanese footballers wore an armband signalling honor towards the Japanese soldiers killed in WW2, south east Asia would have a collective shitstorm, since they view that entire war, and all soldiers in it, as not worth remembering or honoring in any shape or form.[/QUOTE]
I think that's more to do with all the war atrocities they committed as to why Japan couldn't get away with it.
This made sense when I read the title, because poppies over here are generally pins (with needles that stick out pretty far) if it's just an armband then they're just being cunts
[QUOTE=Liem;51292590]This made sense when I read the title, because poppies over here are generally pins (with needles that stick out pretty far) if it's just an armband then they're just being cunts[/QUOTE]
They are cunts then, it has nothing to do with health and safety.
[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51292566]This is a typical example of anything nationalistic in the UK being considered right wing.[/QUOTE]
FIFA is international
I have to agree, simply because it's for the British Army rather than everyone who fought as a whole.
It's used to stir up a lot of nationalism and to try and portray the people in say WW1 as patriotic brave heroes when in reality they were mainly just a bunch of kids that got lied to and fucked over by the establishment at the time.
I live in NI so I'm probably a bit biased against this stuff.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51292653]FIFA is international[/QUOTE]
Nationalism in the UK being considered right wing is an International opinion.
I bloody hope they wear it too, how is showing respect for your war dead anything to do with FIFA?
Just to add a little onto this, Fifa has allowed us to use the Poppy armbands before.
And by before, i mean 2011. Wales, England and Scotland all wore them during internatinal games.
[QUOTE=Duskin;51292727]I have to agree, simply because it's for the British Army rather than everyone who fought as a whole.
It's used to stir up a lot of nationalism and to try and portray the people in say WW1 as patriotic brave heroes when in reality they were mainly just a bunch of kids that got lied to and fucked over by the establishment at the time.
I live in NI so I'm probably a bit biased against this stuff.[/QUOTE]
The Legion supports members and veterans of the British Armed Forces, their families and dependants; not just the Army.
Also every service I've been to does more than just remember the people that have died during the first or second world war, they pay tribute to people who have died in service in more recent years as well, regardless of it being due to a conflict or war.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;51292774]I bloody hope they wear it too, how is showing respect for your war dead how the fuck is this anything to do with FIFA?[/QUOTE]
Most large organisation's end up meddling. Not unlike the EU. The F.A are spineless so I wouldn't expect them to overturn any FIFA rulings.
[QUOTE=shakadamus;51292819]The Legion supports members and veterans of the British Armed Forces, their families and dependants; not just the Army.
Also every service I've been to does more than just remember the people that have died during the first or second world war, they pay tribute to people who have died in service in more recent years as well, regardless of it being due to a conflict or war.[/QUOTE]
It's not just the british armed forces either.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51292545]It's saying, beyond a doubt, "these soldiers died in a way that we wish to honor, in a war that we will remember."
Which, although to you does not signal, "WW1 was a good idea," if Japanese footballers wore an armband signalling honor towards the Japanese soldiers killed in WW2, south east Asia would have a collective shitstorm, since they view that entire war, and all soldiers in it, as not worth remembering or honoring in any shape or form.[/QUOTE]
The difference being that a) none of the nations that used to form the Central Powers would actually object to the UK celebrating Armistice Day, and b) the UK was objectively not the aggressor in WWI.
There's no actual political controversy surrounding Armistice Day, so it's not a political statement in any way or form.
[QUOTE=Duskin;51292727]try and portray the people in say WW1 as patriotic brave heroes when in reality they were mainly just a bunch of kids that got lied to and fucked over by the establishment at the time.
I live in NI so I'm probably a bit biased against this stuff.[/QUOTE]
'Lions led by donkeys' theory and Marxist class-based readings of WWI are entirely rejected in modern historiography as they're basically false in all aspects and designed with an ideological axe to grind, so please don't portray WWI so blatantly inaccurately
I mean, for one, officers (who were dominantly public school and 'elite') had a higher death rate than ordinary soldiers
[editline]1st November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=phaedon;51292828]The difference being that a) none of the nations that used to form the Central Powers would actually object to the UK celebrating Armistice Day, and b) the UK was objectively not the aggressor in WWI.
There's no actual political controversy surrounding Armistice Day, so it's not a political statement in any way or form.[/QUOTE]
The Poppy isn't just a symbol for WWI and WWII but (rightly) also for more recent war dead as well
i dont see anything wrong, commemorating british war troops isnt in keeping with sport which should be neutral.
while it's tradition here and has been for the last god knows how long, in recent years the poppy has become more and more of a political symbol coinciding with the rise of the hard right in the uk and their misuse of it. Nothing wrong with the poppy or honouring the soldiers of WWI but ultimately it IS a political symbol on a wider scale; wearing it at an international football game is like, there's a time and place and all that and no matter which way you spin it, war and politics go hand in hand, as do tryna seperate politics and international sporting events.
it probably doesn't help the majority of the uk papers are tryna push this story hard because any percieved attack on the national identity riles people up and makes it easier to push all kinds of legislation
[QUOTE=Duskin;51292727]I have to agree, simply because it's for the British Army rather than everyone who fought as a whole.
It's used to stir up a lot of nationalism and to try and portray the people in say WW1 as patriotic brave heroes when in reality they were mainly just a bunch of kids that got lied to and fucked over by the establishment at the time.
I live in NI so I'm probably a bit biased against this stuff.[/QUOTE]
I thought the poppy was a general symbol for remembering all the dead of WW1, that's what it's used as here.
Wear them anyway. The poppy is a symbol of peace and remembrance, not advocacy of war or the reasons behind it. There are lots of Germans in my town and I've seen more than one Iron Cross being worn
[editline]2nd November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=meek;51292366]pardon my ignorance but isn't plastering sponsors all over a shirt a commercial message?[/QUOTE]
those messages are fine because FIFA get money from that
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