[quote]A Russian plane has disappeared from radar just minutes after take-off from the Black Sea resort of Sochi, Russian media say.
They are quoting a source at the emergency ministry as saying the missing aircraft is a Tu-154.
Between 70 and 100 people are reported to be on board the plane.
Unconfirmed reports say the aircraft belongs to the defence ministry, flying to Syria's Latakia province. Russian officials have so far made no comment.
[...][/quote]
[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38430164"]source[/url]
Very few reasons aircraft disappear from radar.
Most common is crashes, but that's forecasted by shrieking low altitude alerts, which would have been reported.
Only other I can think of is an aircraft getting shot down. If the equipment is destroyed, they'll fall off radar as quickly as they'll fall out of the sky.
[editline]25th December 2016[/editline]
Given that this particular aircraft belongs to the defence ministry, we can hope that they had some reason to 'stop squawking' their transponder, but even then they'd still appear on radar.
Aliens. :tinfoil:
Hope they all make it back before the langoliers get them.
here we go
[QUOTE=cccritical;51580661]Very few reasons aircraft disappear from radar.
Most common is crashes, but that's forecasted by shrieking low altitude alerts, which would have been reported.
Only other I can think of is an aircraft getting shot down. If the equipment is destroyed, they'll fall off radar as quickly as they'll fall out of the sky.
[editline]25th December 2016[/editline]
Given that this particular aircraft belongs to the defence ministry, we can hope that they had some reason to 'stop squawking' their transponder, but even then they'd still appear on radar.[/QUOTE]
Given the location, it being shot down is highly unlikely. If it was shot down it would have been all over social media, as this thing went down minutes after takeoff from a highly populated area. You don't shoot a low flying airplane down that close to a populated city without someone on the ground snapping a grainy cell phone video and throwing it up on instagram.
Most likely the engines failed and it went down like a brick with zero electrical power. Russian aircraft, especially domestic flights like this one, aren't exactly the best maintained aircraft in the skies. Takeoff is the point in any flight where the engines are at the highest stress they will ever see, after all, and the majority of engine failures happen within 15 or 20 minutes of takeoff.
It's worth noting that this specific model of aircraft is a relic of the 1960s, a Soviet built design that was officially retired from Russia's flagship airline in December of 2009.
Oh hey it's the same type of plane that killed like a half of the Polish government a couple of years ago.
Why are those ancient pieces of shit still being used to move important people around again?
Source has been updated, they found fragments in the Black Sea already, no survivors yet.
[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-airplane-idUSKBN14E02Y[/URL]
[QUOTE]A Russian military plane with 92 people on board has crashed into the Black Sea on its way to Syria, Russian news agencies reported on Sunday, and it was unlikely there would be any survivors.
Russian agencies, citing unnamed security sources, said the TU-154 aircraft had crashed in the sea near the southern Russian city of Sochi after disappearing from radar screens.
The plane was carrying Russian servicemen [B]and members of a renowned military choir and dance ensemble, the Alexandrov Ensemble[/B], who were being flown into Russia's Hmeymim air base in Syria to entertain military personnel in the run-up to the new year, the RIA news agency quoted the Defence Ministry as saying.[/QUOTE]
That's the Red Army Choir. Holy fuck.
[video=youtube;m4ria6UZbSg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ria6UZbSg[/video]
Well,shit.
Take Carrie Fisher if you must but please 2016, don't take the Red Army Choir.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51581125]Take Carrie Fisher if you must but please 2016, don't take the Red Army Choir.[/QUOTE]
How bout nobody dies
[QUOTE=shian;51581144]How bout nobody dies[/QUOTE]
F*** you. I'm a zombie. Pray for undeath
Shit I was talking about how I wanted to see the red army choir live last night and this happens..
Hope they make it back safe.
[QUOTE=cccritical;51580661]but even then they'd still appear on radar.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily, most airports these days don't operate their primary radar anymore, as the secondary gives enough information.
According to Polish sources (which in turn take from Russian), there were 92 people on board, 64 from whom were the members of the Red Army Choir. At the time I heard of this, 12 bodies were found and the rest is presumed dead. There was also a famous Russian philanthropist on board, Jalizawieta Glinka, who is confirmed dead.
Here's one of the maaaaaaany sources, can link others if this isn't credible enough.
[url]http://wyborcza.pl/7,75399,21167855,katastrofa-tu-154-rosyjskiej-armii-nie-zyje-91-osob-w-tym.html?disableRedirects=true[/url]
It's a hot topic on tv at the moment.
For fucks sake, this makes me sad. I fucking love Red Army Choir
[URL="http://tass.com/politics/922297"]Putin declares December 26 day of national mourning for Tu-154 crash victims[/URL]
[QUOTE=Robman8908;51580765]Hope they all make it back before the langoliers get them.[/QUOTE]
Hush you.
Disappears from radar. Was stealth plane.
Merry Christmas Putin!
From the Russian military.
By the way there are a few job vacancies in the murderous Red Army today.
25 December is now an official Russian Mourning Day.
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[QUOTE=AhoyMate;51581194]Hope they make it back safe.[/QUOTE]how? the plane is gone. they're all dead.
[QUOTE=Meester;51581703]
By the way there are a few job vacancies in the murderous Red Army today.[/QUOTE]
Every army murders, its the point of them... and the Red army is the only reason we dont heil the fuhrer.
Such a needless loss of life would of been avoided possibly if they used a newer aircraft.
I get it Age =/= Reliability.
[QUOTE=gazzy_GUI;51581803]Such a needless loss of life would of been avoided possibly if they used a newer aircraft.[/QUOTE]
if a aircraft is maintained well enough it shouldn't really matter its age, It comes more down to the statistical probability of failures.
If i recall right allot of the Stuff getting us into space at the moment was built in the 68-80's.
Shit happens :why:
Update now there's a reliable source
[quote]Most people travelling on the Russian military plane that crashed on Sunday were members of the Alexandrov Ensemble, the official choir of the Russian Armed Forces.
The world-renowned military choir and dance ensemble were being flown into Russia's Hmeymim air base in Syria to entertain soldiers in the run-up to the new year, the RIA news agency quoted the Defence Ministry as saying.
The plane was reportedly carrying 92 people in total, including 68 members of the band, nine journalists, and eight crew, as well as several servicemen. It crashed en route to the Russian military base in Syria.
One body has been recovered so far. There is no word of survivors.[/quote]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-tu-154-plane-crash-military-choir-alexandrov-ensemble-syria-a7494936.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Chonch;51581125]Take Carrie Fisher if you must but please 2016, don't take the Red Army Choir.[/QUOTE]
fucks sake, what a morbid and unnecessary comment
Just because its an old plane it doesn't necessarily means its the cause of the accident.
This particular plane is built in 1983 and there are still hundreds of planes from the 80s flying today. Its all about maintenance, you can have a plane from 2010 and still have it crash today if you don't maintain it. Not to mention the TU-154 has a pretty good record when it comes to crashes caused by "technical problem" only 5 out of 69 hull losses. To add to that a majority of the crashes are caused by crew error after the technical problem itself, like accidentally shutting down the left engine after a surge in the right.
The aircraft itself was designed to operated from inadequate Russian aerodromes and is built like a tank. They only started to phase them out because of shit fuel consumption and loud noise thanks to low bypass engines and the fact that there are lesser airports with gravel runways these days.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;51580896]Oh hey it's the same type of plane that killed like a half of the Polish government a couple of years ago.
Why are those ancient pieces of shit still being used to move important people around again?[/QUOTE]
Two crashes with little to no information and you're calling for them all to be grounded. That is a rash decision.
[QUOTE=Evanstr;51581826]if a aircraft is maintained well enough it shouldn't really matter its age, It comes more down to the statistical probability of failures.
If i recall right allot of the Stuff getting us into space at the moment was built in the 68-80's.
Shit happens :why:[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter how well it's maintained once structural fatigue sets in. You can't fix that without more or less building a new plane. Most aircraft only have about a 30-40 year life span in regards to their airframe. With smaller aircraft it's a bit longer because there's less stresses on the frame.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51582260]It doesn't matter how well it's maintained once structural fatigue sets in. You can't fix that without more or less building a new plane. Most aircraft only have about a 30-40 year life span in regards to their airframe. With smaller aircraft it's a bit longer because there's less stresses on the frame.[/QUOTE]
Or its a priceless antique, like for example a B-29 or Lancaster(IIRC there's less than five of BOTH types still airworthy today), in which case it becomes worth the effort to go through every square inch of the airframe to repair every crack that may or may not be there.
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